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> keep producing world class devices at reasonable prices At the current price points can you really recommend a Core One over an X1 to someone with a tight bu
by delichon 2y ago
> keep producing world class devices at reasonable prices
At the current price points can you really recommend a Core One over an X1 to someone with a tight budget? Without resorting to arguments about open platforms and the big picture?
- kiba 2y agoI took a look at the price. They're almost comparable if X1/AMS combo wasn't (always?) on sale.
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- Kirby64 2y agoThe better comparison is a Core One vs a P1S/P1P. You can almost buy two P1 printers for the price of a Core One.
- bangaladore 2y agoDisagree. The better comparison is Core One vs X1E. As frankly the main selling point of the X1E is Active Chamber Heating. With your logic you can also say you can just get 2 P1S printers instead of an X1C, but an X1C is still sells just fine.
- Kirby64 2y agoThe Core One doesn’t have chamber heating, it just has chamber exhaust. Not the same thing.
- bangaladore 2y agoThanks for the correction, it does not have a dedicated chamber heater. But I don't think simplifying it to "chamber exhaust" is correct. It sounds like the real claim is the device can actively keep the chamber at 55C. Other than semantics, I don't understand how this is different from having a dedicated chamber heater. I can close my X1C, but it won't maintain any stable temperature. The bed and nozzle are heating the chamber. This is all assuming the time to get to 55C is reasonable, and that 55C is enough. I personally have a need for 55C chamber often, but never 100C (X1E can only get to 60C). Again, feel free to correct if I'm wrong, but directly from Prusa: "The automatic ventilation system and active temperature control"
- Kirby64 2y agoThe way they describe the active chamber management in their blog post is basically to say “the enclosure allows it to reach temps as high as 55C, but you can keep it enclosed and drop the temperature so you can print PLA and PETG”. There might be some insulation perhaps, but getting to 55C is not particularly hard on almost any printer. Uninsulated printers with enclosures that are reasonably tight will hit 55C no problem. Add some insulation and you can hit 70C pretty reasonably all without any chamber heating.
- bangaladore 2y agoFirstly, neither of these are "budget". I think if you need a budget, you a probably best sticking to a Prusa Mini, Bambu P1s or A1 Mini. Without a doubt. An X1 is 1k USD. This is 1,199 USD. Truly this is a competitor to the X1E though which costs 2.5k (!!!) with basically the only notable addition being the heated chamber (which the Core 1 comes with for free). I have multiple Prusa Mark 3s, a Prusa XL and an X1 carbon, and frankly I only use the Prusa XL nowadays (and sometimes the Mark 3s). Bambu makes a good printer, but it has lots of annoying issues and proprietary annoyances. I also don't like them as a company, but that wouldn't prevent me from buying another if I needed and used it. In my experience Prusa printers "just work" more often than Bambu printers do.
- Miraste 2y agoIt's worth noting that the X1 is on sale today. Normally it's $1199 as well.
- Kirby64 2y agoFrankly, the only advantage I see from a spec list for the Core One is a chamber exhaust (not heater, just exhaust). Compared to a P1P it’s missing a camera. Compared to the X1C it’s missing a camera, the LiDAR, and carbon rods. Also, the AMS solution on Bambu printers is much better than the MMU by Prusa.
- bangaladore 2y ago> Compared to a P1P it’s missing a camera. Built in yes, and that's disappointing to see. Unsure why they aren't just including that at this point. Assuming its like the XL, you can use any camera you can find (phone, rpi, esp) and link it to the printer to get a "first party" > Compared to the X1C it’s missing a camera, the LiDAR, and carbon rods. I never use the LiDAR on my X1C. In my opinion is produces worse results then calibrating manually. Agree on the camera. Regarding carbon rods, I would be surprised if it made any tangible difference to 99.99% of people. > Also, the AMS solution on Bambu printers is much better than the MMU by Prusa. Agreed. I never use AMS or MMU. For some its a dealbreaker to not have something as good as AMS. I never print multi material, other than using multiple heads on the XL.
- tourmalinetaco 2y agoWhy would I recommend anyone buy a printer that cannot be repaired? That’s just throwing money away and creating e-waste. Even a Prusa Mk4 makes more sense than the X1 when you consider repairability.
- gamblor956 2y agoBambu sells replacement parts for their printers. Very little of the printer is not repairable.
- jonwest 2y agoNot only does Bambu sell parts, but there’s a pretty healthy market of third party parts as well. Saying these printers are irreparable is plain false.
- Kirby64 2y agoAt some point the value proposition makes sense. People buy non repairable 2D printers all the time. Also, as the other commenter noted, they actually are quite repairable. Bambu offers pretty much every part you could imagine and at prices that are extremely reasonable. Any wear component you’d expect is easy to replace.
- aleph_minus_one 2y ago> At some point the value proposition makes sense. People buy non repairable 2D printers all the time. Where can I buy a repairable 2D printer? I would prefer this if I could make a choice.
- Kirby64 2y agoAnything commercial that is also the size of a small fridge. You don't actually want one.
- esskay 2y agoHave you looked at the parts shop? You absolutely can repair a Bambu printer, and as someone with a farm of the things can attest that it's no more complex than working on Prusa's. You still need to buy the parts from somewhere. Bambu's own pricing on parts is pretty reasonable in my opinion.