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> The slogan is directed at fragile liberals who would rather yell like a toddler at a town hall meeting than have an informed discussion centered around facts.

> The slogan is directed at fragile liberals who would rather yell like a toddler at a town hall meeting than have an informed discussion centered around facts. Who created chaos at school board meetings with yelling about trans kids and history books over the last couple of years? I have yet to hear anyone who isn't on the Right freak out about "what they're teaching our kids" the way that conservatives do.

tombert 2y ago
Conservatives also like pretending to be offended by the term "Happy Holidays" every year.
tourmalinetaco 2y ago
A sizable chunk of “banned” books were sexually inappropriate for school, and some even promoted pedophilia, so I have some serious concerns if you disagree with their removal.
- tombert 2y ago
  I'm sure some of those banned books are reasonable to be banned, though I do find it amusing that the people promoting these book bans are simultaneously insisting on putting the Bible in the classroom, a book that has a passage about a woman fantasizing about donkey dicks and horse cum. That's not a joke: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023%3A19-21&version=EHV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023%3A... If there's actually a book in that list that promotes pedophilia, it probably should be banned; which book are you referring to?
  - tourmalinetaco 2y ago
    She was not fantasizing about bestiality, it very clearly states she “lusted after her paramours”. Paramours being adulterous lovers. And, if you even skimmed the rest of Ezekiel 23, you’d know it was describing her being a prostitute to many, many men. I will concede that this chapter, and the Jewish scriptures in general, tend to be rather excessive and would not be where I would start my children for Biblical teaching. What list are you referring to? Perhaps I missed something, but I don’t see a list of banned books. However, regarding books promoting pedophilia, the worst example I am aware of (that isn’t Lolita, which I feel is a cop-out) is The Bluest Eye. I won’t link directly to the passage, however searching “Passages Challenged Bluest Eye” should lead you to a website with excerpts. They have not just one, but two characters who prey on the main character, and she is assaulted twice by her father in unnecessarily graphic scenes.
    - tombert 2y ago
      I know she wasn't fantasizing about bestiality, but she is still fantasizing about guys with dicks as large as donkeys and cumshots as large as horses; sorry if I didn't make that clear. Regardless, most of the old testament is pretty child-unfriendly. Lots of passages about rape and violence with extremely questionable morality (including unambiguous endorsement of genocide), and I do not think it has any place in a classroom, even if we disregard separation of church and state (which we shouldn't). I didn't mean a literal "list", though I realize it was bad wording on my part. "Unnecessarily graphic" doesn't imply "promotes". I haven't read the book, and it might not be appropriate for a school library, but your description here doesn't seem to indicate that it's promoting pedophilia.
      - outrun86 2y ago
        The point that this is too graphic for children stands, but this is a metaphor for Samaria and Jerusalem. This is stated explicitly in the text.
        tombert 2y ago
        Sure, I just was giving it as an example because I think it's a pretty funny bible verse out of context, and even a little funny in-context. Still, the old testament in particular has pretty much every single theme that parents clutch their pearls at; Lot has incestuous sex with his daughters (and it's decidedly not condemned) [1], a man murdering his daughter because she's the first person to enter his house [2], prostitutes getting murdered, butchered, and mailed to her suitors [2]. If the old were accurately made into a movie, it would be right next to Se7en or Saw in categorization, certainly not appropriate for children. I know that this stuff is probably wrapped in layers of metaphor and social context, that's fair enough, but I don't know why similar charity isn't awarded to books that aren't the bible. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot_(biblical_person) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot_(biblical_person) [2] https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges+11&version=NIV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges+11&versi... [3] https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges+19&version=NIV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges+19&versi...

tombert 2y ago

Conservatives also like pretending to be offended by the term "Happy Holidays" every year.

tourmalinetaco 2y ago

A sizable chunk of “banned” books were sexually inappropriate for school, and some even promoted pedophilia, so I have some serious concerns if you disagree with their removal.

tombert 2y ago
I'm sure some of those banned books are reasonable to be banned, though I do find it amusing that the people promoting these book bans are simultaneously insisting on putting the Bible in the classroom, a book that has a passage about a woman fantasizing about donkey dicks and horse cum. That's not a joke: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023%3A19-21&version=EHV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023%3A... If there's actually a book in that list that promotes pedophilia, it probably should be banned; which book are you referring to?
- tourmalinetaco 2y ago
  She was not fantasizing about bestiality, it very clearly states she “lusted after her paramours”. Paramours being adulterous lovers. And, if you even skimmed the rest of Ezekiel 23, you’d know it was describing her being a prostitute to many, many men. I will concede that this chapter, and the Jewish scriptures in general, tend to be rather excessive and would not be where I would start my children for Biblical teaching. What list are you referring to? Perhaps I missed something, but I don’t see a list of banned books. However, regarding books promoting pedophilia, the worst example I am aware of (that isn’t Lolita, which I feel is a cop-out) is The Bluest Eye. I won’t link directly to the passage, however searching “Passages Challenged Bluest Eye” should lead you to a website with excerpts. They have not just one, but two characters who prey on the main character, and she is assaulted twice by her father in unnecessarily graphic scenes.
  - tombert 2y ago
    I know she wasn't fantasizing about bestiality, but she is still fantasizing about guys with dicks as large as donkeys and cumshots as large as horses; sorry if I didn't make that clear. Regardless, most of the old testament is pretty child-unfriendly. Lots of passages about rape and violence with extremely questionable morality (including unambiguous endorsement of genocide), and I do not think it has any place in a classroom, even if we disregard separation of church and state (which we shouldn't). I didn't mean a literal "list", though I realize it was bad wording on my part. "Unnecessarily graphic" doesn't imply "promotes". I haven't read the book, and it might not be appropriate for a school library, but your description here doesn't seem to indicate that it's promoting pedophilia.
    - outrun86 2y ago
      The point that this is too graphic for children stands, but this is a metaphor for Samaria and Jerusalem. This is stated explicitly in the text.
      - tombert 2y ago
        Sure, I just was giving it as an example because I think it's a pretty funny bible verse out of context, and even a little funny in-context. Still, the old testament in particular has pretty much every single theme that parents clutch their pearls at; Lot has incestuous sex with his daughters (and it's decidedly not condemned) [1], a man murdering his daughter because she's the first person to enter his house [2], prostitutes getting murdered, butchered, and mailed to her suitors [2]. If the old were accurately made into a movie, it would be right next to Se7en or Saw in categorization, certainly not appropriate for children. I know that this stuff is probably wrapped in layers of metaphor and social context, that's fair enough, but I don't know why similar charity isn't awarded to books that aren't the bible. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot_(biblical_person) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot_(biblical_person) [2] https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges+11&version=NIV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges+11&versi... [3] https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges+19&version=NIV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges+19&versi...