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You're right. Now why won't anyone else make computers or phones that I like and want to use due to their nice, consistent user interfaces and stability? Apple'

You're right. Now why won't anyone else make computers or phones that I like and want to use due to their nice, consistent user interfaces and stability? Apple's quality has slid in both of these regards, and what really sucks is that no one else comes close anyway.

chasil 2y ago
Android may not come close, but you get root if you buy the right hardware, and there is a lot of choice in alternate distributions.
- lynndotpy 2y ago
  If you want to maintain security (and you should!), AFAIK your only options are GrapheneOS or CalyxOS on a Google Pixel. While these are fantastic, I think most people would find these as UX downgrades from Google Pixel's stock OS.
  - chasil 2y ago
    The choice for my next device would actually be /e/os right now, but I will have to find something suitable to replace the Bliss launcher. https://e.foundation/e-os/ https://e.foundation/e-os/
- lynx23 2y ago
  I don't want root on my Phone, I want a stable and consistent UX. Maybe even efficient and simple. You can give me root if you gift the device to me, I'll accept that. But I am totally done with "our users are our beta testers". Even switched to upgrading iOS only at .3 minor releases. It is so fucking tiiring.
- easeout 2y ago
  I'm glad this aspect of Android world exists, similar to the way I'm glad Linux on the desktop exists. I love how the FOSS community focuses on user ownership. But I also want them to focus hard on non-hobbyist user experience. I think it could make their output competitive with corporations. Anyway, I hope this comes off as constructive. Last time I tried nixos-gnome and mouse-scrolled a window in the settings app, it got caught on a slider, started adjusting the slider instead, and I couldn't tell what the original value was, and when I searched about it, there's no setting to not adjust sliders with mouse scrolling. Don't get me started about copy and paste being different keystrokes in a terminal. Windows has the same problem and many more. Well, phones don't have those exact problems, but you get the idea. It's little papercuts everywhere, sometimes caused by settings that could fix them but have the wrong defaults.
SoftTalker 2y ago
Apple isn't a great example of that TBH. Their user interfaces are highly inconsistent, and not very discoverable.
- easeout 2y ago
  OK, shake to undo is obscure as hell. But Apple is historically the example of app consistency with platform norms and feature discoverability through progressive disclosure. The HIG are not always followed, certainly not as often today as before, but they are the model everyone else emulates poorly. My real point was that I want them to have competition so I can have options I like.
  - SoftTalker 2y ago
    Calendar: Adding a new event is a red "+" in the upper right corner. In Reminders, it's a blue circle with a white "+" in the lower left corner. New message in the Message app is a square with a pencil in it. New Contact is a blue "+". This only scratches the surface. Their apps are all inconsistent, sometimes in minor ways and sometimes in very confusing ways, and many have "hidden" features behind gestures that you would only discover by accident or by having someone else tell you about them. Maybe they think everyone just uses Siri for this stuff; I don't and never will, so it's annoying.

chasil 2y ago

Android may not come close, but you get root if you buy the right hardware, and there is a lot of choice in alternate distributions.

lynndotpy 2y ago
If you want to maintain security (and you should!), AFAIK your only options are GrapheneOS or CalyxOS on a Google Pixel. While these are fantastic, I think most people would find these as UX downgrades from Google Pixel's stock OS.
- chasil 2y ago
  The choice for my next device would actually be /e/os right now, but I will have to find something suitable to replace the Bliss launcher. https://e.foundation/e-os/ https://e.foundation/e-os/
lynx23 2y ago
I don't want root on my Phone, I want a stable and consistent UX. Maybe even efficient and simple. You can give me root if you gift the device to me, I'll accept that. But I am totally done with "our users are our beta testers". Even switched to upgrading iOS only at .3 minor releases. It is so fucking tiiring.
easeout 2y ago
I'm glad this aspect of Android world exists, similar to the way I'm glad Linux on the desktop exists. I love how the FOSS community focuses on user ownership. But I also want them to focus hard on non-hobbyist user experience. I think it could make their output competitive with corporations. Anyway, I hope this comes off as constructive. Last time I tried nixos-gnome and mouse-scrolled a window in the settings app, it got caught on a slider, started adjusting the slider instead, and I couldn't tell what the original value was, and when I searched about it, there's no setting to not adjust sliders with mouse scrolling. Don't get me started about copy and paste being different keystrokes in a terminal. Windows has the same problem and many more. Well, phones don't have those exact problems, but you get the idea. It's little papercuts everywhere, sometimes caused by settings that could fix them but have the wrong defaults.

SoftTalker 2y ago

Apple isn't a great example of that TBH. Their user interfaces are highly inconsistent, and not very discoverable.

easeout 2y ago
OK, shake to undo is obscure as hell. But Apple is historically the example of app consistency with platform norms and feature discoverability through progressive disclosure. The HIG are not always followed, certainly not as often today as before, but they are the model everyone else emulates poorly. My real point was that I want them to have competition so I can have options I like.
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  Calendar: Adding a new event is a red "+" in the upper right corner. In Reminders, it's a blue circle with a white "+" in the lower left corner. New message in the Message app is a square with a pencil in it. New Contact is a blue "+". This only scratches the surface. Their apps are all inconsistent, sometimes in minor ways and sometimes in very confusing ways, and many have "hidden" features behind gestures that you would only discover by accident or by having someone else tell you about them. Maybe they think everyone just uses Siri for this stuff; I don't and never will, so it's annoying.