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> And the market wants a walled garden. The most you can say is that a segment of the market is willing to accept a walled garden. Some may want it. Some may n

by II2II 2y ago

> And the market wants a walled garden. The most you can say is that a segment of the market is willing to accept a walled garden. Some may want it. Some may not care about it. Some may not want it, but feel there are compelling reasons to use iOS and put up with the walled garden. An honest question here: is it actually a walled garden you want or is it an extra layer of security that the walled garden provides? (I can see people wanting the latter, but have a bit of trouble wrapping my head around people wanting a business to control who can offer which software on a device.)

CharlesW 2y ago
> An honest question here: is it actually a walled garden you want or is it an extra layer of security that the walled garden provides? Definitely the latter, with the App Store being is one of many elements of that. It's that old marketing adage: People don't want to buy a drill, they want to buy the ability to make holes. And really, they want to buy the ability to hang a picture of their family on the living room wall, to install a shelf for their daughter's awards, etc.
ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
Most folks aren’t geeks. Their relationship with technology is very different from most folks that post here. They don’t want tech. They want functionality, and in as approachable and “don’t make me think” fashion as possible. Apple provides that. There are many reasons, and many of the cynics are right. But at the end of the day, Apple has a three trillion-dollar market cap. Can’t argue with the results.
kevinsync 2y ago
A couple barely-coherent thoughts on the topic: I honestly believe that the overwhelming majority people with a phone or computer don't actively want a walled garden, or a non-walled garden, good security, bad security or anything else that we pontificate about. They just want a device that kinda-sorta "works" -- web, email, Amazon, YouTube, Instagram, etc -- even though most websites, software, services we pay for, etc actually are constantly changing, constantly having issues, constantly under-delivering on even the most basic promises -- and on top of that, people want everything to be free too. With the way the world is these days (dancing on the razor's edge of chaos, and I'm not necessarily speaking politically; just that everything cuts corners, moves fast, breaks things, and rarely fixes them once they’re broken) it's better for the average consumer to restrict what they can and can't do for the sake of the entire ecosystem remaining functional. That Apple even attempts to keep their stuff "just working" at all is an anomaly with regards to most of the industry.

by II2II 2y ago

CharlesW 2y ago

> An honest question here: is it actually a walled garden you want or is it an extra layer of security that the walled garden provides? Definitely the latter, with the App Store being is one of many elements of that. It's that old marketing adage: People don't want to buy a drill, they want to buy the ability to make holes. And really, they want to buy the ability to hang a picture of their family on the living room wall, to install a shelf for their daughter's awards, etc.

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago

Most folks aren’t geeks. Their relationship with technology is very different from most folks that post here. They don’t want tech. They want functionality, and in as approachable and “don’t make me think” fashion as possible. Apple provides that. There are many reasons, and many of the cynics are right. But at the end of the day, Apple has a three trillion-dollar market cap. Can’t argue with the results.

kevinsync 2y ago

A couple barely-coherent thoughts on the topic: I honestly believe that the overwhelming majority people with a phone or computer don't actively want a walled garden, or a non-walled garden, good security, bad security or anything else that we pontificate about. They just want a device that kinda-sorta "works" -- web, email, Amazon, YouTube, Instagram, etc -- even though most websites, software, services we pay for, etc actually are constantly changing, constantly having issues, constantly under-delivering on even the most basic promises -- and on top of that, people want everything to be free too. With the way the world is these days (dancing on the razor's edge of chaos, and I'm not necessarily speaking politically; just that everything cuts corners, moves fast, breaks things, and rarely fixes them once they’re broken) it's better for the average consumer to restrict what they can and can't do for the sake of the entire ecosystem remaining functional. That Apple even attempts to keep their stuff "just working" at all is an anomaly with regards to most of the industry.