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And what if you just espouse the normal view that all of history & 97% of people currently on earth hold?

dpkonofa 2y ago
Which view is that? I highly doubt that there's any view that fits the criteria you just posited.
happytoexplain 2y ago
Whatever you mean, you can probably write about it without encouraging hatred for groups of people based on qualities that, by themselves, are harmless, like whether they feel male or female, are biologically male or female, are gay or straight, white or black, etc etc.
- zb3 2y ago
  Seems that if I write that "X that feels Y is X and not Y", then I'm apparently encouraging hate. But the real point is that I feel descriptions should belong to the person describing, not the person described.. How is this hate?
- gigatree 2y ago
  The problem is that an overwhelming amount of the left label statements not meant to be hateful as hateful, specifically: “there are two genders”. Everything has been reduced to “hate”, to the point that it actively muddies the waters wrt actual hatred.
  - jhp123 2y ago
    why would you say "there are two genders"? You haven't heard of nonbinary gender?[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-binary_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-binary_gender
    - civvis 2y ago
      That depends on your beliefs. Some people believe that whether you're a man or a woman is based on thoughts in your head, rather than the material biological reality of your sex. They also believe that these thoughts mean you can be neither woman or man, which they call 'non-binary'. Of course to everyone else this is a rather absurd thing to believe. Like the healing power of crystals or some nonsense like that.
      - jhp123 2y ago
        I disagree. Words have meaning, you can't just use your own personal definitions. The modern definition of "gender" is based on the concept of gender identity and includes more than two genders [0][1]. If you want to make your point understood by most people, you should say "there are two biological sexes", although that is also not correct[2]. [0] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gender#Noun https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gender#Noun [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender#dictionary-entry-1 https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender#dictionary... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
        civvvis 2y ago
        The dictionary pages you linked to illustrate that there are multiple senses for the word 'gender' in modern use, and that its use as a shorthand for 'gender identity' is not the only one. Also, as the Wikipedia article you linked discusses, 'intersex' is not a type of sex additional to female and male. It's a word used to group various disorders of sexual development.
      - slater 2y ago
        Still trying that whole "bigoted anti-trans posts from new hn account" thing, ey?
Quinner 2y ago
You can stay on twitter.

Which view is that? I highly doubt that there's any view that fits the criteria you just posited.

Whatever you mean, you can probably write about it without encouraging hatred for groups of people based on qualities that, by themselves, are harmless, like whether they feel male or female, are biologically male or female, are gay or straight, white or black, etc etc.

zb3 2y ago
Seems that if I write that "X that feels Y is X and not Y", then I'm apparently encouraging hate. But the real point is that I feel descriptions should belong to the person describing, not the person described.. How is this hate?
gigatree 2y ago
The problem is that an overwhelming amount of the left label statements not meant to be hateful as hateful, specifically: “there are two genders”. Everything has been reduced to “hate”, to the point that it actively muddies the waters wrt actual hatred.
- jhp123 2y ago
  why would you say "there are two genders"? You haven't heard of nonbinary gender?[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-binary_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-binary_gender
  - civvis 2y ago
    That depends on your beliefs. Some people believe that whether you're a man or a woman is based on thoughts in your head, rather than the material biological reality of your sex. They also believe that these thoughts mean you can be neither woman or man, which they call 'non-binary'. Of course to everyone else this is a rather absurd thing to believe. Like the healing power of crystals or some nonsense like that.
    - jhp123 2y ago
      I disagree. Words have meaning, you can't just use your own personal definitions. The modern definition of "gender" is based on the concept of gender identity and includes more than two genders [0][1]. If you want to make your point understood by most people, you should say "there are two biological sexes", although that is also not correct[2]. [0] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gender#Noun https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gender#Noun [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender#dictionary-entry-1 https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender#dictionary... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
      - civvvis 2y ago
        The dictionary pages you linked to illustrate that there are multiple senses for the word 'gender' in modern use, and that its use as a shorthand for 'gender identity' is not the only one. Also, as the Wikipedia article you linked discusses, 'intersex' is not a type of sex additional to female and male. It's a word used to group various disorders of sexual development.
    - slater 2y ago
      Still trying that whole "bigoted anti-trans posts from new hn account" thing, ey?

Quinner 2y ago

You can stay on twitter.