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The fact that teachers would rather chase fads that obviously do not work rather than practice time-tested and proven teaching methods is probably not a problem

The fact that teachers would rather chase fads that obviously do not work rather than practice time-tested and proven teaching methods is probably not a problem that can be solved with "great videos on YouTube".

ziml77 2y ago
Is 3-cueing even being used anymore? It seems decently well known that it's garbage that hurts students.
- sickofparadox 2y ago
  I'm not familiar with 3-cueing but according to the last public school teacher I spoke with "whole word literacy" seems to be the method of the day today, and I am at best skeptical of its efficacy.
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- AlanYx 2y ago
  3-cueing is still being used in some places, although there's been strong pushback in the last couple of years. 3-cueing isn't the main problem though these days IMHO. It's "balanced literacy" reading instruction strategies that try to find a middle ground with phonics and either cueing or whole word reading. My daughter's school for example did a lot of phonics to start, but then inexplicably transitioned to teaching a weird strategy where you look at the shape of the word and the first letter and guess, using pictures to help if available, and then only as a last resort, sound it out. It baffles the mind. (If it worked, I wouldn't object, but too often it ended up with attempts to utter "decoded" words that were quite far off from the actual text of the word.)
  - ziml77 2y ago
    Jeez that's crazy. I wonder if teachers at your daughter's school are in conflict over the strategy to use so they decided to use a hybrid approach to make both sides equally unhappy. I really hope that everything other than phonics continues to get enough pushback to completely wipe them out. Because otherwise children are just being set up for failure :(
KittenInABox 2y ago
I have complicated feelings about time tested/proven teaching methods. I wouldn't give such weight to a teaching method merely because it has been in practice for a while. Beating children was also a time tested and proven teaching method once upon a time, and now further research has proven that physically harming children is bad for them even when practiced by otherwise safe adults in controlled settings.
- sickofparadox 2y ago
  This may just be a formatting thing: I didn't mean to say that Phonics is good because it is both time tested and time proven, rather that it is time tested (stop) and proven (stop). I edited my above comment to try and reflect that intention better. Something that both works for multiple generations (time tested) and has been observed to be particularly effective (proven) should require any alternative method to provide significant amounts of proof to be unseated from standard curriculum. Having survived as a teaching method for a while is necessary but not sufficient.
  - KittenInABox 2y ago
    Ah this makes more sense, thanks, and I agree that it looks like there wasn't enough evidence/research to warrant changing the way reading is taught here :/

ziml77 2y ago

Is 3-cueing even being used anymore? It seems decently well known that it's garbage that hurts students.

sickofparadox 2y ago
I'm not familiar with 3-cueing but according to the last public school teacher I spoke with "whole word literacy" seems to be the method of the day today, and I am at best skeptical of its efficacy.
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AlanYx 2y ago
3-cueing is still being used in some places, although there's been strong pushback in the last couple of years. 3-cueing isn't the main problem though these days IMHO. It's "balanced literacy" reading instruction strategies that try to find a middle ground with phonics and either cueing or whole word reading. My daughter's school for example did a lot of phonics to start, but then inexplicably transitioned to teaching a weird strategy where you look at the shape of the word and the first letter and guess, using pictures to help if available, and then only as a last resort, sound it out. It baffles the mind. (If it worked, I wouldn't object, but too often it ended up with attempts to utter "decoded" words that were quite far off from the actual text of the word.)
- ziml77 2y ago
  Jeez that's crazy. I wonder if teachers at your daughter's school are in conflict over the strategy to use so they decided to use a hybrid approach to make both sides equally unhappy. I really hope that everything other than phonics continues to get enough pushback to completely wipe them out. Because otherwise children are just being set up for failure :(

KittenInABox 2y ago

I have complicated feelings about time tested/proven teaching methods. I wouldn't give such weight to a teaching method merely because it has been in practice for a while. Beating children was also a time tested and proven teaching method once upon a time, and now further research has proven that physically harming children is bad for them even when practiced by otherwise safe adults in controlled settings.

sickofparadox 2y ago
This may just be a formatting thing: I didn't mean to say that Phonics is good because it is both time tested and time proven, rather that it is time tested (stop) and proven (stop). I edited my above comment to try and reflect that intention better. Something that both works for multiple generations (time tested) and has been observed to be particularly effective (proven) should require any alternative method to provide significant amounts of proof to be unseated from standard curriculum. Having survived as a teaching method for a while is necessary but not sufficient.
- KittenInABox 2y ago
  Ah this makes more sense, thanks, and I agree that it looks like there wasn't enough evidence/research to warrant changing the way reading is taught here :/