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Russia wants to end NATO without going to war with NATO. NATO's political unity and ability to respond is tested with these attacks. Russia does them one after
by nabla9 2y ago
Russia wants to end NATO without going to war with NATO.
NATO's political unity and ability to respond is tested with these attacks. Russia does them one after another gradually escalating. Russia maintains plausible deniability or does so small operations that they can always walk them back.
Eventually, some country invokes Article 4 or 5 consultations. Russia hopes that US, Hungary, or Germany waters down NATO response. The conflict continues, but between individual countries not under NATO. NATOs as a organization may continue, but raison d'être is gone.
- dylan604 2y agoRussia and these NATO countries being probed are like the two siblings in the back seat. Mom, he's touching me. Stop touching your brother. Mom, he's holding his finger right next to me. Dad eventually says, don't make me pull this car over and start a global thermonuclear war
- callc 2y agoHumorous yet concerning that our governments act like children.
- wbl 2y agoExcept its always Russia instigating. We never sent someone to look at the spire of Saint Basil (the pathetic excuse offered for explaining the presence of GRU officers in Salisbury carrying out chemical warfare), or really struck at their weak points.
- dylan604 2y agoAre you actually saying the US has never engaged in propaganda within another country or attempted to influence the outcomes of their elections or influence their populace to rise up against their leaders? You cannot be serious with that kind of belief
- wbl 2y agoBut of a jump from that to spraying poison all over the place.
- dylan604 2y agoNot really sure what you're referring. The US has most definitely sprayed poison all over the place in South America with cocoa plant eradication efforts. Or Agent Orange in South East Asia. If you mean poison as in disinformation, then you'd be wrong there as well. We literally "bombed" Iraq with pamphlets from airplanes encouraging them to rise up against Suddam and we'd be there to support them; we didn't.
- Sabinus 2y agoNo, the GP means literal poison. Neurotoxin, specifically. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_Skripal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_...
- exceptione 2y agoNot quite. Be careful, Russia invests a lot in disinformation campaigns and spreading (conflicting, but that is part of their doctrine) narratives. Bothsidisms and False Equivalency are some of the common tools in muddying the information sphere. NATO and Europe did quite a lot to normalize relations with Russia. Russia was invited and became participant of the NATO program Partnership For Peace [0]. The program contains 6 areas of cooperation, which aims to build relationships with partners through military-to-military cooperation on training, exercises, disaster planning and response, science and environmental issues, professionalization, policy planning, and relations with civilian government Very nice, but the secret services that took over the empire did and does not fancy a rule-based, harmonious order based on mutual relations, human rights, freedom of press etc. As any autocracy or kleptocracy understands, that is very much a threat to their power, beacuse - Population will demand political influence. - Mindset. A criminal thinks in terms of I win, you lose. Might makes right. Complete opposite of what makes up the dna of the free world. The imperative is on us to understand that message really well. It goes slowly unfortunately. It is hard for us to grok. Notice how on our part, helped via tech oligarchs, there is an incessant bombardment to undermine support for those values. Kremlin troll factories are a thing, but the Chinese are speading up rapidly in the information sphere too. Especially youngsters are targeted. The war has already begun, but we don´t want to see it. And that is dangerous. ___ 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partnership_for_Peace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partnership_for_Peace
- trehnert 2y agoThese anti disinformation posts are quite peculiar. I'd advise anyone who wants to dig deeper to listen to West Point graduate Mearsheimer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 It takes one hour to listen. Take notes and verify the facts afterwards. No disinformation there, much less Russian.
- exceptione 2y agoMearsheimer has been debunked many a times and his theory just doesn´t hold up with reality. I am not going to debunk it, because I will repeat what other really respectable people have said about the subject. Just one rebuttal, but there are many more to be found on the internet. https://euideas.eui.eu/2022/07/11/john-mearsheimers-lecture-on-ukraine-why-he-is-wrong-and-what-are-the-consequences/ https://euideas.eui.eu/2022/07/11/john-mearsheimers-lecture-...
- Salgat 2y agoThis is strange to me because this is basically forcing drills that better prepare their enemy.
- michaelt 2y agoSound the fire alarm over a birthday cake candle once, and you've got a drill making people get better at evacuating. Sound the fire alarm over a birthday cake candle several times a week, and people learn the alarm means there's no fire, no need to rush, they've got time to finish that e-mail and grab their coat.
- kube-system 2y agoIf you never go to war with your enemy, your enemy's continued preparations are wasted money and resources (both political and economic), aren't they?