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How do you figure out whether the country is actually at crisis or at war?

by PittleyDunkin 2y ago

surfingdino 2y ago
People getting blown to pieces == war.
- PittleyDunkin 2y ago
  Well shit, america has been at war for the last 80 year then. At least if this is a common viewpoint my worldview can finally align....
anakaine 2y ago
War also typically involves a legislative declaration since it opens up various legislative pathways and policies for many things.
SiempreViernes 2y ago
The executive government decides and make an announcement like most other places? A crisis is more complicated because that power is derogated to very local levels: for example each individual school has a crisis plan they can activate when they think it's necessary. In practice the brochure is mostly about big crises you can sort of see coming, so it'll either be obvious because you house is on fire/under water, or it'll be on the news. In either case "a crisis" is not really a legal concept but rather an organisational one, more precisely it means "you did make a plan for this like you are required to, right?"
- PittleyDunkin 2y ago
  > The executive government decides and make an announcement like most other places? I don't know where you live, but this is a terrible metric in america. We shredded libya without most people even realizing anything was going on. Libya never recovered. Similar story with syria. Similar story with iraq. I suppose the media actually covered aspects of our most recent invasion of iraq. God save palestine (he won't). I'm gonna go drink myself to death.
  - SiempreViernes 2y ago
    Indeed it is, but that's quite a rare case globally so I didn't feel the need to make a special mention of it.
gryn 2y ago
If you fail to notice it through the news, and other official channels, then there's usually a very loud siren that's hard to ignore telling you there's a major danger near you in most countries. If I had to guess in a case of an official declaration of war those would be activated all over the country for at least a day (probably more)

How do you figure out whether the country is actually at crisis or at war?

surfingdino 2y ago

People getting blown to pieces == war.

PittleyDunkin 2y ago
Well shit, america has been at war for the last 80 year then. At least if this is a common viewpoint my worldview can finally align....

anakaine 2y ago

War also typically involves a legislative declaration since it opens up various legislative pathways and policies for many things.

SiempreViernes 2y ago

The executive government decides and make an announcement like most other places? A crisis is more complicated because that power is derogated to very local levels: for example each individual school has a crisis plan they can activate when they think it's necessary. In practice the brochure is mostly about big crises you can sort of see coming, so it'll either be obvious because you house is on fire/under water, or it'll be on the news. In either case "a crisis" is not really a legal concept but rather an organisational one, more precisely it means "you did make a plan for this like you are required to, right?"

PittleyDunkin 2y ago
> The executive government decides and make an announcement like most other places? I don't know where you live, but this is a terrible metric in america. We shredded libya without most people even realizing anything was going on. Libya never recovered. Similar story with syria. Similar story with iraq. I suppose the media actually covered aspects of our most recent invasion of iraq. God save palestine (he won't). I'm gonna go drink myself to death.
- SiempreViernes 2y ago
  Indeed it is, but that's quite a rare case globally so I didn't feel the need to make a special mention of it.

gryn 2y ago

If you fail to notice it through the news, and other official channels, then there's usually a very loud siren that's hard to ignore telling you there's a major danger near you in most countries. If I had to guess in a case of an official declaration of war those would be activated all over the country for at least a day (probably more)