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We assume damage to Baltic Sea cables was sabotage, German Defence minister

40 points by neom 2y ago

neom 2y ago
https://archive.is/s66Pl https://archive.is/s66Pl
Teever 2y ago
I wonder how long it will be before one of these ships mysteriously sinks.
- benterix 2y ago
  No need to sink, the Dutch Navy is taking action right now: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2024/11/20/the-danish-navy-boarded-a-chinese-cargo-ship-who-broke-the-cables-at-the-bottom-of-the-baltic-sea https://eadaily.com/en/news/2024/11/20/the-danish-navy-board...
grahamj 2y ago
I also assume that.
rjahfG 2y ago
[flagged]
- oysterville 2y ago
  Kinda doesn't seem necessary to make this about Trump, but you are entitled to your conspiracies.
- jacknews 2y ago
  Yes, it's a possible reading of events and makes more sense than Russia bothering with such insignificant targets, if they even have that capability. Escalate the Ukraine war by allowing use of long range missiles to attack Russia, then a bunch of accusations and scaremongering about hybrid warfare and whatever in the press to prime everyone for more. Someone appears to want some decisive progress, or just to turn up the heat in Ukraine, before Trump comes in and tries to freeze it. "I also don’t want to believe that the ships’ anchors caused the damage" Of course you don't. Never waste a crisis.
  - RajT88 2y ago
    You are getting down voted, but we have escalated wars over thinner prospects before.
    - jacknews 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - suraci 2y ago
        > But it seems clear to me that ... Many things seem clear to me. One thing that seems clear to me is that many things appear unclear to many people on HN. For example, I didn't see a single comment of "Thank you USA" meme (https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/09/27/why-did-polish-mep-post-thank-you-usa-along-with-image-of-damaged-nord-stream-pipeline/ https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/09/27/why-did-polish-mep-pos...) In the comment section of another article about the situation of the German economy, there were also few mentions of "NordStream" and "Russian gas," which also "seem clear to me." Scenes like these remind me of Bernard's line in West World, "Doesn't look like anything to me."
        jacknews 2y ago
        I couched it tentatively, but it doesn't just 'seem' clear to me, it's plainly obvious that things are different this week compared to a couple of weeks ago wrt US-Ukraine. And HN are some of the smartest people online, so it can't be that no-one else has had these same ideas. Maybe it's a case of lies so outrageous and in your face that most people can't see them.
jmward01 2y ago
From a tech standpoint, what are countries doing to prepare for the possibility of future malicious cuts? Is there a minimum viable number of links that matter before things would get really bad? What does 'really bad' actually look like?
- baybal2 2y ago
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- yencabulator 2y ago
  Multiple cables routed via very different paths. For example, Finland also has connectivity through Sweden and Estonia. Finland could lay more cables to Sweden in the Gulf of Bothnia, there's very little reason for large Russian ships to be there. Increased spending on "unused" capacity via slightly higher-latency links (so less commercially desirable, in normal times), so you can fall back on those if needed. Improved seafloor cable technology, perhaps means of burying the cable for shelter, perhaps better means of repairing them in-place. More secrecy on the exact locations of the cables? Not sure if this is realistic. Slight bias away from sea cables, where realistic. More research into high bandwidth microwave transmission? The islands between Finland and Sweden are close enough to each other that horizon distance might not ruin that. SpaceX making a bunch of money, others making a lot of noise about competing constellations.
ChrisArchitect 2y ago
Related: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42172565 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42172565
jovas 2y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_Losharik https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_Losharik Seems relevant
cynicalsecurity 2y ago
No way! Did Germans grew a pair? What happened, I thought they are going to give their firstborns to Russians just to avoid confrontation and escalation.
- lazide 2y ago
  They did the math after the recent US elections and realized the nice outcome just isn’t going to happen.
yanko 2y ago
Wow Germans speaking out loud so much and even making case this time just for bunch of cables. I remember last time well known blew up their 5 billion out of 10 billion gas pipeline north stream and Germans ware quite and handled the case like provincial road accident with unknown perpetrator lol
- ashoeafoot 2y ago
  The crack addict not complaining about the pipe blowing up after it turns out selling your family to the dealer is not a good longterm strategy.

40 points by neom 2y ago

neom 2y ago

https://archive.is/s66Pl https://archive.is/s66Pl

Teever 2y ago

I wonder how long it will be before one of these ships mysteriously sinks.

benterix 2y ago
No need to sink, the Dutch Navy is taking action right now: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2024/11/20/the-danish-navy-boarded-a-chinese-cargo-ship-who-broke-the-cables-at-the-bottom-of-the-baltic-sea https://eadaily.com/en/news/2024/11/20/the-danish-navy-board...

grahamj 2y ago

I also assume that.

rjahfG 2y ago

[flagged]

oysterville 2y ago
Kinda doesn't seem necessary to make this about Trump, but you are entitled to your conspiracies.
jacknews 2y ago
Yes, it's a possible reading of events and makes more sense than Russia bothering with such insignificant targets, if they even have that capability. Escalate the Ukraine war by allowing use of long range missiles to attack Russia, then a bunch of accusations and scaremongering about hybrid warfare and whatever in the press to prime everyone for more. Someone appears to want some decisive progress, or just to turn up the heat in Ukraine, before Trump comes in and tries to freeze it. "I also don’t want to believe that the ships’ anchors caused the damage" Of course you don't. Never waste a crisis.
- RajT88 2y ago
  You are getting down voted, but we have escalated wars over thinner prospects before.
  - jacknews 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - suraci 2y ago
      > But it seems clear to me that ... Many things seem clear to me. One thing that seems clear to me is that many things appear unclear to many people on HN. For example, I didn't see a single comment of "Thank you USA" meme (https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/09/27/why-did-polish-mep-post-thank-you-usa-along-with-image-of-damaged-nord-stream-pipeline/ https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/09/27/why-did-polish-mep-pos...) In the comment section of another article about the situation of the German economy, there were also few mentions of "NordStream" and "Russian gas," which also "seem clear to me." Scenes like these remind me of Bernard's line in West World, "Doesn't look like anything to me."
      - jacknews 2y ago
        I couched it tentatively, but it doesn't just 'seem' clear to me, it's plainly obvious that things are different this week compared to a couple of weeks ago wrt US-Ukraine. And HN are some of the smartest people online, so it can't be that no-one else has had these same ideas. Maybe it's a case of lies so outrageous and in your face that most people can't see them.

jmward01 2y ago

From a tech standpoint, what are countries doing to prepare for the possibility of future malicious cuts? Is there a minimum viable number of links that matter before things would get really bad? What does 'really bad' actually look like?

baybal2 2y ago
[dead]
yencabulator 2y ago
Multiple cables routed via very different paths. For example, Finland also has connectivity through Sweden and Estonia. Finland could lay more cables to Sweden in the Gulf of Bothnia, there's very little reason for large Russian ships to be there. Increased spending on "unused" capacity via slightly higher-latency links (so less commercially desirable, in normal times), so you can fall back on those if needed. Improved seafloor cable technology, perhaps means of burying the cable for shelter, perhaps better means of repairing them in-place. More secrecy on the exact locations of the cables? Not sure if this is realistic. Slight bias away from sea cables, where realistic. More research into high bandwidth microwave transmission? The islands between Finland and Sweden are close enough to each other that horizon distance might not ruin that. SpaceX making a bunch of money, others making a lot of noise about competing constellations.

ChrisArchitect 2y ago

Related: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42172565 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42172565

jovas 2y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_Losharik https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_Losharik Seems relevant

cynicalsecurity 2y ago

No way! Did Germans grew a pair? What happened, I thought they are going to give their firstborns to Russians just to avoid confrontation and escalation.

lazide 2y ago
They did the math after the recent US elections and realized the nice outcome just isn’t going to happen.

yanko 2y ago

Wow Germans speaking out loud so much and even making case this time just for bunch of cables. I remember last time well known blew up their 5 billion out of 10 billion gas pipeline north stream and Germans ware quite and handled the case like provincial road accident with unknown perpetrator lol

ashoeafoot 2y ago
The crack addict not complaining about the pipe blowing up after it turns out selling your family to the dealer is not a good longterm strategy.