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MAU/DAU have always somewhat seemed like dishonest metrics anyway, plus things like network effect and news cycles ("Threads has so many users!" yeah because it

MAU/DAU have always somewhat seemed like dishonest metrics anyway, plus things like network effect and news cycles ("Threads has so many users!" yeah because it just came out). What if a company juices the metrics like say, not including messages in your email anymore, so you have to physically go to Facebook? Zuckerberg's products seem a bit... derivative. They're all copied from other products in really dishonest ways

l33t7332273 2y ago
Being derivative isn’t necessarily a bad business strategy as long as you improve on whatever you’re deriving from.
- alex1138 2y ago
  This is not a bad point, but I just think of the example of Instagram (which has now for a while presented a hard login wall if you want to scroll, well, anything). It was the photo app, and the quality of the photos have gone down as they fill the feed with more and more crap I think Zuck just wants to own everyone else's stuff
bscphil 2y ago
At least with Bluesky you can trivially download the entire firehose and determine the number of e.g. users liking at least one post. According to public stats [1] based on this data, ~2.8M unique users liked posts yesterday, which aligns very well with the daily active users shown on the graph. The comparison might be wrong for other reasons, but Bluesky pumping their numbers is probably not one of them. [1] https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats
- yewey 2y ago
  they are pumping the numbers. you can clock how many posts per second are happening in real time world wide on the firehose with the following (need "pv" command and websocat command): ./websocat4.x86_64-unknown-linux-musl wss://jetstream.atproto.tools/subscribe\?wantedCollections=app.bsky.feed.post |pv --line-mode --rate > /dev/null I can prove the posts are DECLINING EVERY DAY, and now so can you. this number never clocked over 160 posts per second. its trending DOWN to 88-100 posts per second rather than going up, despite adding "20 million people" and "a million a day." its not growing. its dying. pfraze and jay gruber are lying. as someone who was already there in the first place, and just got smacked down a month ago over rubbish , with ycombinator comments in my history to prove it , i can tell you that all the artists and things that made bluesky bluesky - including me - are gone smothered suffocated silenced and banned and now all you see are piping hot US political takes all day. im not even in the united states which is why i am livid about the new arrivals and the agenda. so you have millions of "new accounts" that arent posting anything. are these just bots to "like" jojo and the krassensteins TDS posting? there are threads on places i shant mention, describing how new users are scrutinized to see if theyre anywhere politically to the right of Mao and hatebombing / harassing/moderating/banning them immediately. how is this even possible with a million new accounts a day?
ramon156 2y ago
I get your point, but just because its a spike doesn't mean that it's incorrect. DAU will slowly wash over, but consitent users will show a successful spike
alsetmusic 2y ago
I can't remember what company it was (and failed to turn it up on search), but someone (a streaming service, I think?) claimed, in a press release, how excited they were to have the highest number of users or downloads or account signups (or whatever) since launch. On the day after launch, if memory serves. Whatever the exact details, the circumstance was essentially, "we're pretending this is a meaningful metric," when it clearly wasn't because there was no history against which to compare. Gotta juice those numbers and make the Street happy by any means necessary. The system is broken, but oh well.
rvz 2y ago
> Zuckerberg's products seem a bit... derivative. They're all copied from other products in really dishonest ways Was very successful for Meta, Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc and others. They do not care. Each of them have made acquisitions to copy their competition.

l33t7332273 2y ago

Being derivative isn’t necessarily a bad business strategy as long as you improve on whatever you’re deriving from.

alex1138 2y ago
This is not a bad point, but I just think of the example of Instagram (which has now for a while presented a hard login wall if you want to scroll, well, anything). It was the photo app, and the quality of the photos have gone down as they fill the feed with more and more crap I think Zuck just wants to own everyone else's stuff

bscphil 2y ago

At least with Bluesky you can trivially download the entire firehose and determine the number of e.g. users liking at least one post. According to public stats [1] based on this data, ~2.8M unique users liked posts yesterday, which aligns very well with the daily active users shown on the graph. The comparison might be wrong for other reasons, but Bluesky pumping their numbers is probably not one of them. [1] https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

yewey 2y ago
they are pumping the numbers. you can clock how many posts per second are happening in real time world wide on the firehose with the following (need "pv" command and websocat command): ./websocat4.x86_64-unknown-linux-musl wss://jetstream.atproto.tools/subscribe\?wantedCollections=app.bsky.feed.post |pv --line-mode --rate > /dev/null I can prove the posts are DECLINING EVERY DAY, and now so can you. this number never clocked over 160 posts per second. its trending DOWN to 88-100 posts per second rather than going up, despite adding "20 million people" and "a million a day." its not growing. its dying. pfraze and jay gruber are lying. as someone who was already there in the first place, and just got smacked down a month ago over rubbish , with ycombinator comments in my history to prove it , i can tell you that all the artists and things that made bluesky bluesky - including me - are gone smothered suffocated silenced and banned and now all you see are piping hot US political takes all day. im not even in the united states which is why i am livid about the new arrivals and the agenda. so you have millions of "new accounts" that arent posting anything. are these just bots to "like" jojo and the krassensteins TDS posting? there are threads on places i shant mention, describing how new users are scrutinized to see if theyre anywhere politically to the right of Mao and hatebombing / harassing/moderating/banning them immediately. how is this even possible with a million new accounts a day?

ramon156 2y ago

I get your point, but just because its a spike doesn't mean that it's incorrect. DAU will slowly wash over, but consitent users will show a successful spike

alsetmusic 2y ago

I can't remember what company it was (and failed to turn it up on search), but someone (a streaming service, I think?) claimed, in a press release, how excited they were to have the highest number of users or downloads or account signups (or whatever) since launch. On the day after launch, if memory serves. Whatever the exact details, the circumstance was essentially, "we're pretending this is a meaningful metric," when it clearly wasn't because there was no history against which to compare. Gotta juice those numbers and make the Street happy by any means necessary. The system is broken, but oh well.

rvz 2y ago

> Zuckerberg's products seem a bit... derivative. They're all copied from other products in really dishonest ways Was very successful for Meta, Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc and others. They do not care. Each of them have made acquisitions to copy their competition.