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For. How. Long. Has. NATO. Been. On. Russia’s. Border. Again, you are dodging the question. Either you will say they aren’t, in service of your argument that

For. How. Long. Has. NATO. Been. On. Russia’s. Border. Again, you are dodging the question. Either you will say they aren’t, in service of your argument that russia invaded Ukraine to prevent NATO from coming up to their border, in which case you would be wrong since NATO has shared a border with russia in Europe for at least the past 24 years. Or, you will say at least the past 24 years, which undermines your argument that russia only invaded Ukraine to prevent NATO appearing at their immediate borders, since they were already there. For at least the past 24 years. We can do this all day. I’ve got another question for you. Almost certainly you will dodge it, because it is blindingly obvious that you are not impartial as you pretend to be, and that you have a strong bias for the Putin regime and its illegal war and genocide, but let’s go through the motions anyway. How did the Moskva sink?

dotancohen 2y ago
Some other guy already answered you on your post with the original question: "4 April 1949 the day NATO was founded" > How did the Moskva sink? Didn't the Ukrainians shoot it with either an anti-ship missile or a drone jetski? Is this some test to see "what side I'm on"? I frankly don't care - like I said I was demonstrating the other side of the coin. But I see that was extremely offensive to you. I'm neither European nor Russian, I really don't care who's right. But I do listen to both sides of the story.
- yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
  > Some other guy already answered you on your post with the original question: "4 April 1949 the day NATO was founded" Let’s go with that answer. If NATO has been on russia’s border since before Putin was born, how could russia’s justification for invading Ukraine, annexing territory, and slaughtering thousands of civilians possibly be that they were nervous about NATO coming closer to their borders? It also doesn’t explain why earlier you said “And with Ukraine in NATO, there are no natural barriers between European powers and Russia.” How does that make any sense at all? There have been “no natural barriers between European powers and russia” for decades already. It has nothing to do with Ukraine. > Didn't the Ukrainians shoot it with either an anti-ship missile or a drone jetski? Interesting! That’s not what the russian government said. Surely you’re not suggesting the russian government would lie, are you?! > I really don't care who's right. But I do listen to both sides of the story. This is hard to believe given the strong bias you have shown towards Kremlin propaganda.
  - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
    Dude you need to calm down and realize the person you are discussing this with is not nearly as partisan as you. You are confusing discourse for propaganda and explanation for excuse.
    - yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
      As a society we don't accept Holocaust denial. Nor should we accept the legitimisation of russia's invasion and genocide in Ukraine.

dotancohen 2y ago

Some other guy already answered you on your post with the original question: "4 April 1949 the day NATO was founded" > How did the Moskva sink? Didn't the Ukrainians shoot it with either an anti-ship missile or a drone jetski? Is this some test to see "what side I'm on"? I frankly don't care - like I said I was demonstrating the other side of the coin. But I see that was extremely offensive to you. I'm neither European nor Russian, I really don't care who's right. But I do listen to both sides of the story.

yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
> Some other guy already answered you on your post with the original question: "4 April 1949 the day NATO was founded" Let’s go with that answer. If NATO has been on russia’s border since before Putin was born, how could russia’s justification for invading Ukraine, annexing territory, and slaughtering thousands of civilians possibly be that they were nervous about NATO coming closer to their borders? It also doesn’t explain why earlier you said “And with Ukraine in NATO, there are no natural barriers between European powers and Russia.” How does that make any sense at all? There have been “no natural barriers between European powers and russia” for decades already. It has nothing to do with Ukraine. > Didn't the Ukrainians shoot it with either an anti-ship missile or a drone jetski? Interesting! That’s not what the russian government said. Surely you’re not suggesting the russian government would lie, are you?! > I really don't care who's right. But I do listen to both sides of the story. This is hard to believe given the strong bias you have shown towards Kremlin propaganda.
- DiggyJohnson 2y ago
  Dude you need to calm down and realize the person you are discussing this with is not nearly as partisan as you. You are confusing discourse for propaganda and explanation for excuse.
  - yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
    As a society we don't accept Holocaust denial. Nor should we accept the legitimisation of russia's invasion and genocide in Ukraine.