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It's time for peace, not time to further enrich and empower the military industrial "defence" sector. I fail to understand how would the permission to attack R

It's time for peace, not time to further enrich and empower the military industrial "defence" sector. I fail to understand how would the permission to attack Russia with long range weapons would benefit any other than the arms dealing elite. Russia is not going away, nato is not going away. The only option is peace.

yladiz 2y ago
Okay, I’ll bite. What is peace, in this specific case?
aceazzameen 2y ago
And how do you get peace when Russia's only stance is to conquer? Let them take whatever they want?
- ijasd 2y ago
  >when Russia's only stance is to conquer Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria
  - netsharc 2y ago
    > Libya, Syria It's hard to take people like you seriously if you claim these 2 conflicts are western attempts to conquer. Care to elaborate? It's kinda insane that the stuff that used to be reserved to be screamed by unkempt people at street corners is "mainstream" on the Internet nowadays...
- 4gotunameagain 2y ago
  You get peace by not trying to introduce Ukraine to the western sphere of influence.
MrMcCall 2y ago
Perhaps the East Germans, Czechs, et al remember Soviet brutalization? And let's remember that attacking Ukraine was utterly illegal, without a semblance of moral justification, and carried out utterly barbarically.
- 4gotunameagain 2y ago
  And let's remember that in 12 June 2020 Ukraine joined NATO's enhanced opportunity partner interoperability program. If the west had not flirted with Ukraine, so many lives wouldn't have been sacrificed. Would Ukraine be a drone state of Russia ? Probably. It is naive to think that a tiny country next to a superpower can be independent. Is the current outcome more favourable for anyone, including the Ukrainians ?
  - MrMcCall 2y ago
    Are you saying that laying down stops the rapist?
    - 4gotunameagain 2y ago
      That is such a juvenile, emotion filled and provoking response. I am not even going to reply. I am sorry you cannot view this in a detached, logical manner.
netsharc 2y ago
And what does peace look like? It reads like you're using the word as synonym for "surrender".
iammjm 2y ago
Remember how all the peace offers stopped Hitler and fascism from conquering Europe? No? Because they didnt. Weapons and materiel did.
codeflow2202 2y ago
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- iammjm 2y ago
  You should study some recent history. One place for you to start would be to look up "Appeasement" on wikipedia
  - codeflow2202 2y ago
    It seems that someone has convinced many of you (on HN) that negotiations with Russia would inevitably lead to an attack on NATO countries within Europe. As a result, some now feel justified in mocking or harassing those who believe that continuing a seemingly unwinnable war—at the cost of thousands of European lives—is not the best course of action. Ironically, this stance was widely held by left-leaning individuals not long ago. What disgusts me isn’t the fear of a potential Russian attack, but how easily people can be manipulated into reversing their beliefs while still considering themselves morally righteous, and feel justified into mocking and silencing people holding their past ideology.
- mopsi 2y ago
  > Until just a few years back, this would have been one of the top comments. People have had the time to learn what the "peace" they are offering to the victims of aggression means in practice.

yladiz 2y ago

Okay, I’ll bite. What is peace, in this specific case?

aceazzameen 2y ago

And how do you get peace when Russia's only stance is to conquer? Let them take whatever they want?

ijasd 2y ago
>when Russia's only stance is to conquer Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria
- netsharc 2y ago
  > Libya, Syria It's hard to take people like you seriously if you claim these 2 conflicts are western attempts to conquer. Care to elaborate? It's kinda insane that the stuff that used to be reserved to be screamed by unkempt people at street corners is "mainstream" on the Internet nowadays...
4gotunameagain 2y ago
You get peace by not trying to introduce Ukraine to the western sphere of influence.

MrMcCall 2y ago

Perhaps the East Germans, Czechs, et al remember Soviet brutalization? And let's remember that attacking Ukraine was utterly illegal, without a semblance of moral justification, and carried out utterly barbarically.

4gotunameagain 2y ago
And let's remember that in 12 June 2020 Ukraine joined NATO's enhanced opportunity partner interoperability program. If the west had not flirted with Ukraine, so many lives wouldn't have been sacrificed. Would Ukraine be a drone state of Russia ? Probably. It is naive to think that a tiny country next to a superpower can be independent. Is the current outcome more favourable for anyone, including the Ukrainians ?
- MrMcCall 2y ago
  Are you saying that laying down stops the rapist?
  - 4gotunameagain 2y ago
    That is such a juvenile, emotion filled and provoking response. I am not even going to reply. I am sorry you cannot view this in a detached, logical manner.

netsharc 2y ago

And what does peace look like? It reads like you're using the word as synonym for "surrender".

iammjm 2y ago

Remember how all the peace offers stopped Hitler and fascism from conquering Europe? No? Because they didnt. Weapons and materiel did.

codeflow2202 2y ago

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iammjm 2y ago
You should study some recent history. One place for you to start would be to look up "Appeasement" on wikipedia
- codeflow2202 2y ago
  It seems that someone has convinced many of you (on HN) that negotiations with Russia would inevitably lead to an attack on NATO countries within Europe. As a result, some now feel justified in mocking or harassing those who believe that continuing a seemingly unwinnable war—at the cost of thousands of European lives—is not the best course of action. Ironically, this stance was widely held by left-leaning individuals not long ago. What disgusts me isn’t the fear of a potential Russian attack, but how easily people can be manipulated into reversing their beliefs while still considering themselves morally righteous, and feel justified into mocking and silencing people holding their past ideology.
mopsi 2y ago
> Until just a few years back, this would have been one of the top comments. People have had the time to learn what the "peace" they are offering to the victims of aggression means in practice.