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> Of course, Russians used false flag as usual, to blame Ukraine, but Ukraine doesn't hide successful attacks on Russian infrastructure, because Ukraine has leg

> Of course, Russians used false flag as usual, to blame Ukraine, but Ukraine doesn't hide successful attacks on Russian infrastructure, because Ukraine has legal right to defend itself. This is completely wrong. It involved German/Russian infrastructure, and if confirmed, it would rank as the worst terrorist act in the history of the FRG (Germany) since the Munich Olympic Games. In fact, it could, should, or would lead to the activation of Article 5, as one of NATO's members was attacked. BTW from the Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream " In June 2024 German authorities issued an arrest warrant for a Ukrainian national suspected of the sabotage.[13] " This (in German) shed even more lights on that https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ukraine/roman-tscherwinskyj-aeussert-sich-zur-nord-stream-sprengung-110111281.html https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ukraine/roman-tscherwins...

oneshtein 2y ago
So, this is one man, who bought, moved, and then installed 500kg of explosives in 4 places in front of a married couple, right?
- gruez 2y ago
  >in front of a married couple Is this supposed to imply the story is implausible because the couple wasn't in on the plot and would rat the third guy out? If so, all 3 are suspects and presumably are in on the plot, so this argument falls flat on its face.
  - oneshtein 2y ago
    Only one man is suspect, a married couple is not.
    - gruez 2y ago
      Says who? The DW article says otherwise. >The two other suspects, a married couple who do not have warrants issued in their names, have denied knowing Z. and said that they were on vacation in Bulgaria when the attack took place.
immibis 2y ago
A terrorist act is an act meant to cause terror. High natural gas prices, while they might be very inconvenient, are hardly terror in the same way as things usually described as terrorist acts, which usually involve civilians exploding at random.
- pelasaco 2y ago
  that is your definition. BTW The department responsible for this case in Germany, is the anti-terrorism department. https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/nord-stream-ermittlungsakte-saboteure-taucher-wolodymyr-100.html https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/nord-stre... zdf is the german news broadcast.

oneshtein 2y ago

So, this is one man, who bought, moved, and then installed 500kg of explosives in 4 places in front of a married couple, right?

gruez 2y ago
>in front of a married couple Is this supposed to imply the story is implausible because the couple wasn't in on the plot and would rat the third guy out? If so, all 3 are suspects and presumably are in on the plot, so this argument falls flat on its face.
- oneshtein 2y ago
  Only one man is suspect, a married couple is not.
  - gruez 2y ago
    Says who? The DW article says otherwise. >The two other suspects, a married couple who do not have warrants issued in their names, have denied knowing Z. and said that they were on vacation in Bulgaria when the attack took place.

immibis 2y ago

A terrorist act is an act meant to cause terror. High natural gas prices, while they might be very inconvenient, are hardly terror in the same way as things usually described as terrorist acts, which usually involve civilians exploding at random.

pelasaco 2y ago
that is your definition. BTW The department responsible for this case in Germany, is the anti-terrorism department. https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/nord-stream-ermittlungsakte-saboteure-taucher-wolodymyr-100.html https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/nord-stre... zdf is the german news broadcast.