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NATO was founded to defend against invasion from e.g. Russia, if it comes to pass. NATO has never and will never be an aggressor, see article 1 as someone point

NATO was founded to defend against invasion from e.g. Russia, if it comes to pass. NATO has never and will never be an aggressor, see article 1 as someone pointed out. If anything, Russia has put themselves in serious shit for invading Ukraine. If they hadn't started this, over 600.000 of their people wouldn't be dead or wounded. How many countries has NATO invaded?

SiempreViernes 2y ago
> NATO has never and will never be an aggressor Not to defend the regime in power then (nor now!), but if you ask Serbia they might offer some other lived experiences on how consensual Operation Allied Force was.
- yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
  Why did NATO bomb Serbia?
  - SiempreViernes 2y ago
    It was not because Serbia invaded a NATO country, if that's what you were asking. Thought of course you knew that already since you obviously know what the operation was called, a fact basically nobody today knows (without looking it up).
    - deanCommie 2y ago
      It was to stop a genocide. Just because they weren't "defending a NATO member" doesn't mean that the operation was "offensive".
    - yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
      I do know why NATO bombed Serbia. Often when it’s brought up, people neglect to mention why it happened. The result is we have thousands of people who believe NATO is evil because supposedly they’ll bomb cities for no reason. But there is a reason, which curiously enough you neglected to mention. As the other commenter pointed out, it was to stop an active genocide which was being prosecuted by Slobodan Milosevic’s military and paramilitary forces.
dotancohen 2y ago
> NATO was founded to defend against invasion from e.g. Russia Exactly. Russia views NATO as an anti-Russian entity. And both sides have phrases that amount roughly to "the best defense is an effective offense". Would you feel threatened if your neighbours set up weapons right outside your property line, ostensibly to defend in case you attack? And especially if they've already invaded your property twice (France and Germany both invaded Russia).
- mopsi 2y ago
  What weapons? Cold War era stockpiles have been dismantled in Europe and nothing has been installed in countries that have joined since the Cold War.
- wbl 2y ago
  Russia signed treaty after treaty saying countries can make their own alliances. NATO has not put nukes eastward or any permeant allied presence, other than the armies of the allied states themselves in the region. Russia refused to withdraw from Moldova to implement CFE II. This is not the action of a state worried that it's disadvantage in conventional arms will lead to invasion.
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  You act like there aren’t a hundred missiles in Montana trained at russian targets for the past 70 years. Should russia invade montana?
  - dotancohen 2y ago
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    - yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
      So why hasn’t russia invaded Poland?
- aguaviva 2y ago
  Would you feel threatened if your neighbours set up weapons right outside your property line, ostensibly to defend in case you attack? Except that never happened in Ukraine, or in any of the other NATO countries close to Russia. You know that, right?

SiempreViernes 2y ago

> NATO has never and will never be an aggressor Not to defend the regime in power then (nor now!), but if you ask Serbia they might offer some other lived experiences on how consensual Operation Allied Force was.

yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
Why did NATO bomb Serbia?
- SiempreViernes 2y ago
  It was not because Serbia invaded a NATO country, if that's what you were asking. Thought of course you knew that already since you obviously know what the operation was called, a fact basically nobody today knows (without looking it up).
  - deanCommie 2y ago
    It was to stop a genocide. Just because they weren't "defending a NATO member" doesn't mean that the operation was "offensive".
  - yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
    I do know why NATO bombed Serbia. Often when it’s brought up, people neglect to mention why it happened. The result is we have thousands of people who believe NATO is evil because supposedly they’ll bomb cities for no reason. But there is a reason, which curiously enough you neglected to mention. As the other commenter pointed out, it was to stop an active genocide which was being prosecuted by Slobodan Milosevic’s military and paramilitary forces.

dotancohen 2y ago

> NATO was founded to defend against invasion from e.g. Russia Exactly. Russia views NATO as an anti-Russian entity. And both sides have phrases that amount roughly to "the best defense is an effective offense". Would you feel threatened if your neighbours set up weapons right outside your property line, ostensibly to defend in case you attack? And especially if they've already invaded your property twice (France and Germany both invaded Russia).

mopsi 2y ago
What weapons? Cold War era stockpiles have been dismantled in Europe and nothing has been installed in countries that have joined since the Cold War.
wbl 2y ago
Russia signed treaty after treaty saying countries can make their own alliances. NATO has not put nukes eastward or any permeant allied presence, other than the armies of the allied states themselves in the region. Russia refused to withdraw from Moldova to implement CFE II. This is not the action of a state worried that it's disadvantage in conventional arms will lead to invasion.
kjkjadksj 2y ago
You act like there aren’t a hundred missiles in Montana trained at russian targets for the past 70 years. Should russia invade montana?
- dotancohen 2y ago
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  - yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
    So why hasn’t russia invaded Poland?
aguaviva 2y ago
Would you feel threatened if your neighbours set up weapons right outside your property line, ostensibly to defend in case you attack? Except that never happened in Ukraine, or in any of the other NATO countries close to Russia. You know that, right?