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I keep getting told Republicans are all for "Freedom". Individual Rights. Then they turn around and want 'show me your papers' laws. Require ID's. Digital Tr

I keep getting told Republicans are all for "Freedom". Individual Rights. Then they turn around and want 'show me your papers' laws. Require ID's. Digital Tracking.

idle_zealot 2y ago
The Republican platform is small government except for military and violent enforcement of (mostly property) law. It's a consistent worldview if you want private industry to own most of society, and fund security services for them with taxpayer money. Very pro-business. So "freedom" in this mindset is "freedom to pursue business free from government interference, and with government assistance," not so much day-to-day freedoms. Except for guns, which you need to be free to own to defend yourself from hypothetical government overreach and petty theft.
marcuskane2 2y ago
"Require IDs" for what? That seems like very important context here? Showing a driver's license to a police officer when stopped for a traffic violation seems reasonable to me. Showing a passport when crossing an international border seems reasonable. Showing some sort of ID to vote seems reasonable. Showing some sort of ID to receive social security or some other government-issued money seems reasonable. Showing a hunting or fishing license to a game warden seems reasonable. But showing a government ID to access a website or post something online or walk down the sidewalk or buy something from a store would all seem unreasonable, dystopian and police-statey.
- FrustratedMonky 2y ago
  Examples: Show your birth certificate to use a bathroom. (that is only for them? lot of old people I can't tell if they are male/female, better check their documents) (NC law, struck down during Democratic times, now back on table) Carry proof of Citizenship at all time's. (that is only for non-citizens? Really, everyone needs proof or how do authorities know?) (Arizona Law, struck down during Democratic times, now back on table) Once you are trying to target one group, you actually impact everyone, because, everyone needs the IDs to prove they aren't in the targeted group.
salawat 2y ago
Political parties differ only in stated platform on a poster they pay lip service to. You have to look at their actions, and if you do, you will recognize that both share a single overarching goal. The accretion of power at the highest level and widest scope possible. It's really not even two parties in that regard.

I keep getting told Republicans are all for "Freedom". Individual Rights. Then they turn around and want 'show me your papers' laws. Require ID's. Digital Tracking.

idle_zealot 2y ago

The Republican platform is small government except for military and violent enforcement of (mostly property) law. It's a consistent worldview if you want private industry to own most of society, and fund security services for them with taxpayer money. Very pro-business. So "freedom" in this mindset is "freedom to pursue business free from government interference, and with government assistance," not so much day-to-day freedoms. Except for guns, which you need to be free to own to defend yourself from hypothetical government overreach and petty theft.

marcuskane2 2y ago

"Require IDs" for what? That seems like very important context here? Showing a driver's license to a police officer when stopped for a traffic violation seems reasonable to me. Showing a passport when crossing an international border seems reasonable. Showing some sort of ID to vote seems reasonable. Showing some sort of ID to receive social security or some other government-issued money seems reasonable. Showing a hunting or fishing license to a game warden seems reasonable. But showing a government ID to access a website or post something online or walk down the sidewalk or buy something from a store would all seem unreasonable, dystopian and police-statey.

FrustratedMonky 2y ago
Examples: Show your birth certificate to use a bathroom. (that is only for them? lot of old people I can't tell if they are male/female, better check their documents) (NC law, struck down during Democratic times, now back on table) Carry proof of Citizenship at all time's. (that is only for non-citizens? Really, everyone needs proof or how do authorities know?) (Arizona Law, struck down during Democratic times, now back on table) Once you are trying to target one group, you actually impact everyone, because, everyone needs the IDs to prove they aren't in the targeted group.

salawat 2y ago

Political parties differ only in stated platform on a poster they pay lip service to. You have to look at their actions, and if you do, you will recognize that both share a single overarching goal. The accretion of power at the highest level and widest scope possible. It's really not even two parties in that regard.