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I know what I said, and I was careful with my words. Except your number is way off, and has no connection to reality.

• valval 2y ago
  Well, the number of wars and conflicts that the US, UK, France, Germany, or Italy (de facto NATO) have been part of unnecessarily since 1949 is above 12 (a dozen), but then again dozen isn't a rigorous quantifier, and I was careful not to use a precise number since I knew it was somewhere between 10 and 15 but couldn't be bothered counting for my message.
  • aguaviva 2y ago
    No, every conflict the US has been involved in is not "de facto NATO".
    • valval 2y ago
      To you, no. To our adversaries, yes.
      • aguaviva 2y ago
        Not to them, either. That's just your projection.
        • meiraleal 2y ago
          As if any westerner spare a thought about what their "enemies" (read "low level stupid barbarians") think. You are terribly uninformed.