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So why are those standards impossible to keep up with and we already see plenty of sites break under Firefox? Which by the way is the only independent browser r
by kaba0 2y ago
So why are those standards impossible to keep up with and we already see plenty of sites break under Firefox? Which by the way is the only independent browser remaining in game, even goddamn Microsoft leaving the domain behind?
- pitkali 2y agoBecause development costs money. Your "impossible to keep up" here is easily explained by Google simply investing more money in development and thus being able to "innovate" faster. The only way to compete is to invest more, but where do you get that money from? The easy fix is to make them slow down development, but I fail to see how that's a good thing.
- kaba0 2y agoSure. Continuing my analogy to the British empire's rule over the seas has also surely resulted in technological improvements, but that is not the only way to achieve that. For a more practical example, Linux is also developed mostly by paid employees, but they are from many different companies and thus improvements can't be weaponized as easily.
- dismalaf 2y agoMaybe if Mozilla spent more money on development and less money trying to be an NGO they could keep up... Mozilla gets more than enough revenue (from Google ironically), they just spend it poorly. Or they could do what Brave, Vivaldi and others do and simply use Chromium as a base.
- kaba0 2y ago> Or they could do what Brave, Vivaldi and others do and simply use Chromium as a base. Don't you even see the problem?! Even Microsoft dropped out from developing a web browser, it literally has a larger scope than a whole OS. But sure, enjoy your Chrome OS proprietary "open" web.
- dismalaf 2y agoAgain, how can it be a proprietary web if everything is open source and available to every other vendor? Not sure if you remember all the "native" applets that actually were proprietary before Chrome came on the scene and made JS fast enough to kill them... ActiveX, Flash, Java... Those were the dark ages, because of Google the web is more open and better than ever...
- kaba0 2y agoMore like there were actually multiple vendors that would have to agree on a common thing, but they died out so the single leftover can do whatever it wants...
- dismalaf 2y agoHere's a list of members of the W3C: https://www.w3.org/membership/list/ https://www.w3.org/membership/list/ It's a lot more than just Google...
- rc_mob 2y agoAs a long time FF user what is one website that breaks on FF? my ad-blockers ruin plenty of websites. never met a site that was broken due to FF itself.
- mulmen 2y agoI see them all the time on internal websites. Corporate frontend devs favor Chrome and those sites aren’t automatically tested.
- kaba0 2y agoMiro board is simply unusably slow, but plenty of other commonly used websites have annoying breakages, like login screen not actually logging in and the others.
- shiroiushi 2y agoFacebook Messenger video chat. It straight up doesn't work. I have to open a Chromium instance to chat with my family.
- xnx 2y agoGood example, but sounds like Facebook or Firefox are to blame for this, not Google.
- shiroiushi 2y agoThe parent asked for examples of sites that don't work on Firefox. I gave him one. No one was talking about who to blame.