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> If a US school year is 9 months and the summer vacation is 3 months, it means that every 3 years, a student who only does math in the summer will be accelerat

> If a US school year is 9 months and the summer vacation is 3 months, it means that every 3 years, a student who only does math in the summer will be accelerated by one yea That is simplistic. Amount learned is not proportional to time spent. Its the same problem as more hours at work does not mean proportionately more output. There are diminishing returns. > One family we spoke with has a kid (now homeschooled) Home education is the logical endpoint of this. If your child is learning more at home than at school, what is the point of school? > One family we spoke to decided that what they valued most about going to school was " Social-Emotional Learning (SEL), My experience is that HE is is better for that - meet lots of different people in different settings rather than the same people in the same place daily. > The parents are now not only worried about what they would do for high school if the kid decides they want to go to high school, but they are now worried about what to do about college! Much less likely to be a problem. Its a lot less likely the child will be "ahead" as a young adult compared to other who are also good at maths. I do not think this is a problem unique to one subject either. Kids will progress at different rates in different subjects given the chance. its almost as if different people have different talents!

nkrisc 2y ago
> Home education is the logical endpoint of this. If your child is learning more at home than at school, what is the point of school? There’s more to school than learning math. Learning how to work with other people, learning how to do things you don’t want to do, learning how to function in a group of people with different needs and goals, learning subjects other than math, etc. > My experience is that HE is is better for that - meet lots of different people in different settings rather than the same people in the same place daily. Those are all transient relationships. It’s still worth having long-lasting interactions/relationships - even with people who aren’t your family or maybe you don’t even care for.
- graemep 2y ago
  > There’s more to school than learning math. Learning how to work with other people, learning how to do things you don’t want to do, learning how to function in a group of people with different needs and goals, learning subjects other than math, etc. Yes, home education is better at all that in my experience. I specifically said that maths is not unique. > Those are all transient relationships. No they are not. My younger daughter has relationships that have lasted many years so far from HE. Despite our moving twice in the last three years. If you go to the same classes or activities or have the same hobbies or stay in touch online.... You also have more time to maintain relationships outside school
  - nkrisc 2y ago
    I don’t doubt that some schools are worse than home-schooling. But think (for many, not all kids) the best school is better than the best home-schooling.
    - graemep 2y ago
      I disagree. I went to one of the best schools in Britain and my kids got a better education than I did. Kids are individuals with different talents and interests. Tailoring education to the individual is usually better than standardising it and that is the key difference between schools and HE. They can do subjects that schools rarely teach and follow interests. For example, my younger daughter has GCSEs in Latin and astronomy. Both my children have a really wide range of interests and and that broad education is something school rarely really deliver - they can make kids do subjects but few people seem to come out really enjoying a wide range of them. I very much doubt my older daughter would be in a very male dominated career (automotive electrical and electronics R & D) if she had gone to school. There is more room to be yourself without being brainwashed into stereotyped roles.
- brobdingnagians 2y ago
  There are other places to learn the social networking aspects of school, and arguably so it better. Sports teams, churches, volunteering and other extra curricular activities can develop the friendships, group work, and compromise skills that are good for society, while also giving a family and child the choice to pursue their interests. Schools often do a low quality job of those. Teachers don't have a lot of time to mentor individual gruops, so often some individuals end up doing all the work and resent groups. Children get bullied and start hating school because teachers don't really have time, interest, or ability to stop it. It is more about learning to work and value knowledge. But it is easier to learn to work when you see some point in it. For a lot of people, school feels pointless other than the low quality social aspects of it. And teachers generally do a bad job of explaining the importance of anything. So a lot of children eventually leave school with the mentality that they won't use math and they don't need books and they only learned things so they could 1. Maybe go to college and 2. Maybe get a good paying job where they don't use those things anyways. Those answers are now cliche in our society. If we did more apprenticeships, application of knowledge in practical situations with adults and other members of the community (volunteering, organising events, work experiences, etc.) people would learn skills and be excited to keep doing it and feel like they fit in.
yapyap 2y ago
> Home education is the logical endpoint of this. If your child is learning more at home than at school, what is the point of school? socialization
- graemep 2y ago
  As I explained HE is better for socialisation. At the very least it is better at developing social skills. Schools (at least here in the UK) usually tell children they are not there to socialise so the people running schools do not agree with this idea.
- jalk 2y ago
  And learn all the other subjects they don’t love to do in their spare time. Presumably the parents also have things to do when the kids are in school.
  - graemep 2y ago
    > learn all the other subjects they don’t love to do in their spare tims One effect of HE is that kids are more willing to learn and enjoy learning in general more, and develop greater motivation and self-discipline. > Presumably the parents also have things to do when the kids are in school. HE does not rely on teaching the hours schools do - it takes far less time to learn in other ways than it does to do the same in a classroom. I generally spent less time on HE than many parents do on getting their kids ready for school, and getting them there are back, etc. HE is not all (or even mostly) done by parents tutoring kids either. Self teaching, classes, tutors - whatever works for a particular time. I think parents should spend more time with kids than most do. This is why I am an advocate for requiring (by law) more family friendly working hours and conditions AND of greater involvement of fathers (which needs both social change and legal change) rather than raising children being a female occupation by default.
- red_admiral 2y ago
  > What is the point of school? If you want a very long answer: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/your-book-review-the-educated-mind https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/your-book-review-the-educat...
pyrale 2y ago
> Home education is the logical endpoint of this. If your child is learning more at home than at school, what is the point of school? Regardless of the difference in skills taught by school vs. HE, simply put, school is the difference between early 18th century where those who could (i.e. a tiny minority) were homeschooled, and 20th century where every kid in a well-functioning society receives an education. There is a reason every single industrializing country started pushing mandatory education during the 19th century, and it wasn't benevolence.
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nkrisc 2y ago

> Home education is the logical endpoint of this. If your child is learning more at home than at school, what is the point of school? There’s more to school than learning math. Learning how to work with other people, learning how to do things you don’t want to do, learning how to function in a group of people with different needs and goals, learning subjects other than math, etc. > My experience is that HE is is better for that - meet lots of different people in different settings rather than the same people in the same place daily. Those are all transient relationships. It’s still worth having long-lasting interactions/relationships - even with people who aren’t your family or maybe you don’t even care for.

graemep 2y ago
> There’s more to school than learning math. Learning how to work with other people, learning how to do things you don’t want to do, learning how to function in a group of people with different needs and goals, learning subjects other than math, etc. Yes, home education is better at all that in my experience. I specifically said that maths is not unique. > Those are all transient relationships. No they are not. My younger daughter has relationships that have lasted many years so far from HE. Despite our moving twice in the last three years. If you go to the same classes or activities or have the same hobbies or stay in touch online.... You also have more time to maintain relationships outside school
- nkrisc 2y ago
  I don’t doubt that some schools are worse than home-schooling. But think (for many, not all kids) the best school is better than the best home-schooling.
  - graemep 2y ago
    I disagree. I went to one of the best schools in Britain and my kids got a better education than I did. Kids are individuals with different talents and interests. Tailoring education to the individual is usually better than standardising it and that is the key difference between schools and HE. They can do subjects that schools rarely teach and follow interests. For example, my younger daughter has GCSEs in Latin and astronomy. Both my children have a really wide range of interests and and that broad education is something school rarely really deliver - they can make kids do subjects but few people seem to come out really enjoying a wide range of them. I very much doubt my older daughter would be in a very male dominated career (automotive electrical and electronics R & D) if she had gone to school. There is more room to be yourself without being brainwashed into stereotyped roles.
brobdingnagians 2y ago
There are other places to learn the social networking aspects of school, and arguably so it better. Sports teams, churches, volunteering and other extra curricular activities can develop the friendships, group work, and compromise skills that are good for society, while also giving a family and child the choice to pursue their interests. Schools often do a low quality job of those. Teachers don't have a lot of time to mentor individual gruops, so often some individuals end up doing all the work and resent groups. Children get bullied and start hating school because teachers don't really have time, interest, or ability to stop it. It is more about learning to work and value knowledge. But it is easier to learn to work when you see some point in it. For a lot of people, school feels pointless other than the low quality social aspects of it. And teachers generally do a bad job of explaining the importance of anything. So a lot of children eventually leave school with the mentality that they won't use math and they don't need books and they only learned things so they could 1. Maybe go to college and 2. Maybe get a good paying job where they don't use those things anyways. Those answers are now cliche in our society. If we did more apprenticeships, application of knowledge in practical situations with adults and other members of the community (volunteering, organising events, work experiences, etc.) people would learn skills and be excited to keep doing it and feel like they fit in.

yapyap 2y ago

> Home education is the logical endpoint of this. If your child is learning more at home than at school, what is the point of school? socialization

graemep 2y ago
As I explained HE is better for socialisation. At the very least it is better at developing social skills. Schools (at least here in the UK) usually tell children they are not there to socialise so the people running schools do not agree with this idea.
jalk 2y ago
And learn all the other subjects they don’t love to do in their spare time. Presumably the parents also have things to do when the kids are in school.
- graemep 2y ago
  > learn all the other subjects they don’t love to do in their spare tims One effect of HE is that kids are more willing to learn and enjoy learning in general more, and develop greater motivation and self-discipline. > Presumably the parents also have things to do when the kids are in school. HE does not rely on teaching the hours schools do - it takes far less time to learn in other ways than it does to do the same in a classroom. I generally spent less time on HE than many parents do on getting their kids ready for school, and getting them there are back, etc. HE is not all (or even mostly) done by parents tutoring kids either. Self teaching, classes, tutors - whatever works for a particular time. I think parents should spend more time with kids than most do. This is why I am an advocate for requiring (by law) more family friendly working hours and conditions AND of greater involvement of fathers (which needs both social change and legal change) rather than raising children being a female occupation by default.
red_admiral 2y ago
> What is the point of school? If you want a very long answer: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/your-book-review-the-educated-mind https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/your-book-review-the-educat...

pyrale 2y ago

> Home education is the logical endpoint of this. If your child is learning more at home than at school, what is the point of school? Regardless of the difference in skills taught by school vs. HE, simply put, school is the difference between early 18th century where those who could (i.e. a tiny minority) were homeschooled, and 20th century where every kid in a well-functioning society receives an education. There is a reason every single industrializing country started pushing mandatory education during the 19th century, and it wasn't benevolence.

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