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* The Chinese / Russian owned what left Kaliningrad? * Which pipeline? * Last year (2023), not 2022?

by card_zero 2y ago

kookamamie 2y ago
A ship. The ship is named Newnew Polar Bear.
- ninjin 2y ago
  Reference for those of us unfamiliar with the incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newnew_Polar_Bear#Damage_to_undersea_infrastructure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newnew_Polar_Bear#Damage_to_un...
  - card_zero 2y ago
    Thank you! Had heard nothing about this one.
  - pelasaco 2y ago
    "In August 2024, an internal Chinese investigation indicated that the ship was indeed responsible for the damage, claiming it was an accident due to heavy weather rather than intentional sabotage.[23][24]" The internal Chinese investigation indicated that was an accident.. LOL
    - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
      Dropping anchor in a channel is something a container ship (especially one without other mitigations like this Newnew, I mean look at it) might do to increase stability and reduce the risk of drifting out of the channel. I don't care to convince folks in this thread one way or another, but yes, there are reason a commercial ship would drop anchor while underway, including bad weather and a narrow / shallow channel. The circumstances from last year had both.
smcl 2y ago
There are very few things which can be described as “setting sail” and can “drop anchor” so I think you can fill the gap easily
- jpc0 2y ago
  Of the big metal things that can "set sail" and "drop anchor" there happens to be a very large set of classifications... But using your heuristics, that catamarang crew should probably have been interviewed.
  - smcl 2y ago
    I think you tried to be a bit too clever there in choosing one of the "big metal things" that you didn't know how to spell :-)
    - jpc0 2y ago
      Generally misspellings like this kind of proves the point... The comment means nothing, neither mine nor the one I commented on so I won't even bother looking up the spelling. It's more important to understand why the comment is there. The GP asked what boat, parent effectively said "a boat" which doesn't answer the question. My comment was one of the least likely options, but hey I could have said sailboat... Not an excuse either but realistically I on a daily basis speak two languages and often interact with people who can barely speak one of those two so I have some basic understanding of a third... Sometimes I can't remember which one spelling rules come from. Not an excuse, it's easy enough to look it up but just context.

* The Chinese / Russian owned what left Kaliningrad? * Which pipeline? * Last year (2023), not 2022?

kookamamie 2y ago

A ship. The ship is named Newnew Polar Bear.

ninjin 2y ago
Reference for those of us unfamiliar with the incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newnew_Polar_Bear#Damage_to_undersea_infrastructure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newnew_Polar_Bear#Damage_to_un...
- card_zero 2y ago
  Thank you! Had heard nothing about this one.
- pelasaco 2y ago
  "In August 2024, an internal Chinese investigation indicated that the ship was indeed responsible for the damage, claiming it was an accident due to heavy weather rather than intentional sabotage.[23][24]" The internal Chinese investigation indicated that was an accident.. LOL
  - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
    Dropping anchor in a channel is something a container ship (especially one without other mitigations like this Newnew, I mean look at it) might do to increase stability and reduce the risk of drifting out of the channel. I don't care to convince folks in this thread one way or another, but yes, there are reason a commercial ship would drop anchor while underway, including bad weather and a narrow / shallow channel. The circumstances from last year had both.

smcl 2y ago

There are very few things which can be described as “setting sail” and can “drop anchor” so I think you can fill the gap easily

jpc0 2y ago
Of the big metal things that can "set sail" and "drop anchor" there happens to be a very large set of classifications... But using your heuristics, that catamarang crew should probably have been interviewed.
- smcl 2y ago
  I think you tried to be a bit too clever there in choosing one of the "big metal things" that you didn't know how to spell :-)
  - jpc0 2y ago
    Generally misspellings like this kind of proves the point... The comment means nothing, neither mine nor the one I commented on so I won't even bother looking up the spelling. It's more important to understand why the comment is there. The GP asked what boat, parent effectively said "a boat" which doesn't answer the question. My comment was one of the least likely options, but hey I could have said sailboat... Not an excuse either but realistically I on a daily basis speak two languages and often interact with people who can barely speak one of those two so I have some basic understanding of a third... Sometimes I can't remember which one spelling rules come from. Not an excuse, it's easy enough to look it up but just context.