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Except you can't. Every browser on iOS uses Safari's rendering engine. Chrome/Firefox on iOS are effectively reskinned Safari. This is an apple requirement. The

Except you can't. Every browser on iOS uses Safari's rendering engine. Chrome/Firefox on iOS are effectively reskinned Safari. This is an apple requirement. The rendering engine being the important part here when talking about standards and such.

WD-42 2y ago
The only browser that seems to be able to get around this is Orion. No idea how they are doing it.
- dcow 2y ago
  Orion is WebKit. Safari’s rendering engine is WebKit.
  - travisgriggs 2y ago
    I tried Orion (m1 MBP) recently. From about 3wks ago til a few days ago. I liked the UI. But there were a lot of pages that didn’t work correctly. I persevered for a while. But gave up a few days ago and went back to Brave.
  - WD-42 2y ago
    I know it’s WebKit. But they are somehow allowing extensions, which none of the other iOS browsers has managed afaik.
    - dcow 2y ago
      Likely just emulating/providing the javascript interfaces needed for FF and Chrome extensions to run.
- freediver 2y ago
  When there is will, there is way!
dcow 2y ago
Every time this discussion happens a non-trivial number of people reveal they’ve fallen into this trap of believing other browsers are allowed on iOS. Feels like a consumer protection issue, at some level.
fenomas 2y ago
> effectively reskinned Safari It's worse than that, even - IIRC the renderer that other browsers have to use is slower and more limited than the one Safari uses. So other browsers are effectively reskinned hobbled Safari.
- EasyMark 2y ago
  A rendering engine is not a browser. Are all the Chrome engine variants really just Chrome in a skin? I don’t think so they all have unique properties that set them apart. As do Orion, Firefox, brave, etc on iOS
  - fenomas 2y ago
    I wouldn't consider other chromium browsers reskinned because they're using the chromium engine as a dependency, by choice. They can customize it as much or as little as they want (and I'd imagine they do to various extents). Browsers on iOS can't - they are required (legally, not technologically) to use (a worse version of) Safari's engine. Chrome for iOS is not the browser that the chrome team wants to distribute, it's a browser Apple made that has been customized to the extent that Apple allows it to be customized. What is that if not reskinned?

WD-42 2y ago

The only browser that seems to be able to get around this is Orion. No idea how they are doing it.

dcow 2y ago
Orion is WebKit. Safari’s rendering engine is WebKit.
- travisgriggs 2y ago
  I tried Orion (m1 MBP) recently. From about 3wks ago til a few days ago. I liked the UI. But there were a lot of pages that didn’t work correctly. I persevered for a while. But gave up a few days ago and went back to Brave.
- WD-42 2y ago
  I know it’s WebKit. But they are somehow allowing extensions, which none of the other iOS browsers has managed afaik.
  - dcow 2y ago
    Likely just emulating/providing the javascript interfaces needed for FF and Chrome extensions to run.
freediver 2y ago
When there is will, there is way!

dcow 2y ago

Every time this discussion happens a non-trivial number of people reveal they’ve fallen into this trap of believing other browsers are allowed on iOS. Feels like a consumer protection issue, at some level.

fenomas 2y ago

> effectively reskinned Safari It's worse than that, even - IIRC the renderer that other browsers have to use is slower and more limited than the one Safari uses. So other browsers are effectively reskinned hobbled Safari.

EasyMark 2y ago
A rendering engine is not a browser. Are all the Chrome engine variants really just Chrome in a skin? I don’t think so they all have unique properties that set them apart. As do Orion, Firefox, brave, etc on iOS
- fenomas 2y ago
  I wouldn't consider other chromium browsers reskinned because they're using the chromium engine as a dependency, by choice. They can customize it as much or as little as they want (and I'd imagine they do to various extents). Browsers on iOS can't - they are required (legally, not technologically) to use (a worse version of) Safari's engine. Chrome for iOS is not the browser that the chrome team wants to distribute, it's a browser Apple made that has been customized to the extent that Apple allows it to be customized. What is that if not reskinned?