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> For example, did you know that "Denial of Evolution Is a Form of White Supremacy"? Yes, because I read Inherit the Wind in middle school.

lanstin 2y ago
Thank you for some historical context.
aidenn0 2y ago
Inherit the Wind uses the historical case of the Scopes Monkey Trial to discuss the contemporary McCarthyism, neither of which is particularly closely tied to white supremacy?
anonymousiam 2y ago
Ugh. I'm sorry, but could you please explain yourself? I also read Inherit the Wind in middle school, and my understanding is that it fictionalized the (true) story of the "Scopes/Monkey Trial", which was an ideological conflict between science and religion. It's been over 50 years, and maybe I'm so pure that I disregarded any racial context, but I don't remember any. How does "White Supremacy" come into the story, or the denial of evolution as a whole?
- IvyMike 2y ago
  As a whole? White supremacists hate the idea that they could have had non-white ancestors. Belief in a white Adam & Eve is much more in line with their world view. Non-whites were created by "the Curse of Ham". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham
  - FooBarBizBazz 2y ago
    As usual, when a "Christian" wants to be un-Christian, they do it by mining the Old Testament.
  - leereeves 2y ago
    Surely you understand the difference between "Some X believe Y" and "Y is a form of X". Examples of the former pattern do not prove the latter. Even if we correct the logic here, and change the conclusion to something like "All people who dismiss evolution are white supremacists", that would still be disproven by counterexamples, like the many non-white people who don't believe in evolution. "Acceptance of evolution was lower [than in the US] in ... Singapore (59%), India (56%), Brazil (54%), and Malaysia (43%)" https://ncse.ngo/acceptance-evolution-twenty-countries https://ncse.ngo/acceptance-evolution-twenty-countries
    - IvyMike 2y ago
      I just gave a connection white supremacy and evolution denial, not trying to prove any absolutes. Everything you are saying seemed kinda obvious and thus I didn't mention it.
      - leereeves 2y ago
        I apologize if I misunderstood. I thought your comment was related to the statement being discussed in this chain. ("Denial of Evolution Is a Form of White Supremacy")
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- gopher_space 2y ago
  Biological evolution was butting heads with the dying concept of social evolution at the time, and that conflict provides illuminating subtext to the trial and book.
  - rbanffy 2y ago
    Which is another interesting aspect of the political use of science: that people will cherry-pick and bend all they can in ways that support their policies.
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FooBarBizBazz 2y ago
Pretty sure "scientific racism" owes more to pop versions of evolutionary theory than it does to a near-Eastern religion that endows all people with immortal souls, spreads the faith in all languages following Pentacost, tells parables about Samaritans, and makes a point of adding Galatians to its sacred book.

lanstin 2y ago

Thank you for some historical context.

aidenn0 2y ago

Inherit the Wind uses the historical case of the Scopes Monkey Trial to discuss the contemporary McCarthyism, neither of which is particularly closely tied to white supremacy?

anonymousiam 2y ago

Ugh. I'm sorry, but could you please explain yourself? I also read Inherit the Wind in middle school, and my understanding is that it fictionalized the (true) story of the "Scopes/Monkey Trial", which was an ideological conflict between science and religion. It's been over 50 years, and maybe I'm so pure that I disregarded any racial context, but I don't remember any. How does "White Supremacy" come into the story, or the denial of evolution as a whole?

IvyMike 2y ago
As a whole? White supremacists hate the idea that they could have had non-white ancestors. Belief in a white Adam & Eve is much more in line with their world view. Non-whites were created by "the Curse of Ham". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham
- FooBarBizBazz 2y ago
  As usual, when a "Christian" wants to be un-Christian, they do it by mining the Old Testament.
- leereeves 2y ago
  Surely you understand the difference between "Some X believe Y" and "Y is a form of X". Examples of the former pattern do not prove the latter. Even if we correct the logic here, and change the conclusion to something like "All people who dismiss evolution are white supremacists", that would still be disproven by counterexamples, like the many non-white people who don't believe in evolution. "Acceptance of evolution was lower [than in the US] in ... Singapore (59%), India (56%), Brazil (54%), and Malaysia (43%)" https://ncse.ngo/acceptance-evolution-twenty-countries https://ncse.ngo/acceptance-evolution-twenty-countries
  - IvyMike 2y ago
    I just gave a connection white supremacy and evolution denial, not trying to prove any absolutes. Everything you are saying seemed kinda obvious and thus I didn't mention it.
    - leereeves 2y ago
      I apologize if I misunderstood. I thought your comment was related to the statement being discussed in this chain. ("Denial of Evolution Is a Form of White Supremacy")
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gopher_space 2y ago
Biological evolution was butting heads with the dying concept of social evolution at the time, and that conflict provides illuminating subtext to the trial and book.
- rbanffy 2y ago
  Which is another interesting aspect of the political use of science: that people will cherry-pick and bend all they can in ways that support their policies.

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FooBarBizBazz 2y ago

Pretty sure "scientific racism" owes more to pop versions of evolutionary theory than it does to a near-Eastern religion that endows all people with immortal souls, spreads the faith in all languages following Pentacost, tells parables about Samaritans, and makes a point of adding Galatians to its sacred book.