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Interesting how the narrative being pushed by companies spending a lot of money on AI always seems to be gravitate to around 20% of time saved. I've not seen an

by 22c 2y ago

Interesting how the narrative being pushed by companies spending a lot of money on AI always seems to be gravitate to around 20% of time saved. I've not seen anywhere how this figure of 20% is determined. It seems to be a number that the masses are willing to just accept without any reasoning. If they said 30% people might start to ask how, if they said 5% people might just shrug and think it's not significant.

buran77 2y ago
> I've not seen anywhere how this figure of 20% is determined. A lot of people are probably just repeating a number that is big enough to impress management but not so big it sounds far fetched. Otherwise evaluating Copilot should be no different from evaluating any other tool claiming to improve productivity. How would you evaluate Excel vs. pen and paper? Self reporting, estimating time saved per action or common scenario, counting how many actions are taken per day, etc.
nl 2y ago
This wasn't someone from MS, it was his estimate. Based on this workflow I'd believe it - he did lots of digging through emails to work out what was going on, but the CoPilot summaries were giving him that stuff straight away on the front screen. I don't see 20% in any of MS' marketing material. The claim 6 hours saved weekly for a team of 5, so 2.5%. They claim 29% quicker on "completing everyday tasks", but specifics range from 74% faster (summarizing a meeting) down. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-copilot/meet-copilot#ROI-insights https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-copilot/meet-copil...
- hulitu 2y ago
  > Based on this workflow I'd believe it - he did lots of digging through emails digging through emails ? Some of us have work to do. /s
nkrisc 2y ago
Big enough to be worthwhile, but not too big as to be unbelievable. If you want to convince someone of something, you can’t go wrong with 20%.
meiraleal 2y ago
> I've not seen anywhere how this figure of 20% is determined. maybe laying off 20% of the teams/ICs? We have seen them happening while the profits are growing.
enasterosophes 2y ago
Plot twist: the number was originally generated by an AI, and that AI was selected for redistribution because it produced numbers that humans can easily get behind.
garyfirestorm 2y ago
I’d argue it’s significantly more time saved. Having copilot is like having access to a 3D printer in a world where 3D printers didn’t exist. The entry level barrier for someone is reduced significantly with copilot helping out. I can no longer worry about not knowing something and it keeping me from trying to accomplish an idea.
- hulitu 2y ago
  > Having copilot is like having access to a 3D printer in a world where 3D printers didn’t exist. Yes, but you have to move the printing head yourself. /s

by 22c 2y ago

buran77 2y ago

> I've not seen anywhere how this figure of 20% is determined. A lot of people are probably just repeating a number that is big enough to impress management but not so big it sounds far fetched. Otherwise evaluating Copilot should be no different from evaluating any other tool claiming to improve productivity. How would you evaluate Excel vs. pen and paper? Self reporting, estimating time saved per action or common scenario, counting how many actions are taken per day, etc.

nl 2y ago

This wasn't someone from MS, it was his estimate. Based on this workflow I'd believe it - he did lots of digging through emails to work out what was going on, but the CoPilot summaries were giving him that stuff straight away on the front screen. I don't see 20% in any of MS' marketing material. The claim 6 hours saved weekly for a team of 5, so 2.5%. They claim 29% quicker on "completing everyday tasks", but specifics range from 74% faster (summarizing a meeting) down. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-copilot/meet-copilot#ROI-insights https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-copilot/meet-copil...

hulitu 2y ago
> Based on this workflow I'd believe it - he did lots of digging through emails digging through emails ? Some of us have work to do. /s

nkrisc 2y ago

Big enough to be worthwhile, but not too big as to be unbelievable. If you want to convince someone of something, you can’t go wrong with 20%.

meiraleal 2y ago

> I've not seen anywhere how this figure of 20% is determined. maybe laying off 20% of the teams/ICs? We have seen them happening while the profits are growing.

enasterosophes 2y ago

Plot twist: the number was originally generated by an AI, and that AI was selected for redistribution because it produced numbers that humans can easily get behind.

garyfirestorm 2y ago

I’d argue it’s significantly more time saved. Having copilot is like having access to a 3D printer in a world where 3D printers didn’t exist. The entry level barrier for someone is reduced significantly with copilot helping out. I can no longer worry about not knowing something and it keeping me from trying to accomplish an idea.

hulitu 2y ago
> Having copilot is like having access to a 3D printer in a world where 3D printers didn’t exist. Yes, but you have to move the printing head yourself. /s