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Don’t confuse, “the overall crime rate is down signicantly in very good ways” with “and therefore the remainder is fine”.

psunavy03 2y ago
Also don't confuse the law of diminishing returns with "therefore the remainder is fine," either. There's room for regulation of many of the ills of our society, but you will always reach a point where trying to stamp out that last bit you can't get ends up taking away things that make life worth living. I can't imagine more of a hell than being forced to live a life wrapped up in bubble wrap so someone else is convinced I'm "safe."
- fuzztester 2y ago
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  - psunavy03 2y ago
    Yeah, so you misrepresented what I said to call me an alcoholic and thus denigrate my point via an ad hominem. Instead of actually engaging with my argument on the merits, you misrepresent it and act like a troll. Goodbye, you aren't worth my time.
    - fuzztester 2y ago
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fuzztester 2y ago
Yes, but you are talking about data and logic, while I was making a point about humanity (humanitarianism? need to check which is appropriate). If you are from the US, and feeling defensive about my comment, and/or if you want to treat your people's deaths and crippling as just statistics, it's your call, shrug, and maybe also your death or crippling by gun violence some day, again, statistically, you know.
- rightbyte 2y ago
  If the success is not cheered we might regress to the old bad times. It is not like the only path forward is even less violent crimes.
- compiler-guy 2y ago
  The statistical probability of gun violence affecting me is much lower than it has been historically. That is worth celebrating. And I have seen exactly no one in this thread dismiss the ongoing pain caused by the remainder as negligible. But--and this is the entire point--that amount of ongoing pain is less than it has been in the past. Definitely still real, but less of it than before. Yes, we absolutely mourn those who are still affected by it, and we do what we can to prevent additional deaths. But the idea that we should not be happy about our progress is absurd.

psunavy03 2y ago

Also don't confuse the law of diminishing returns with "therefore the remainder is fine," either. There's room for regulation of many of the ills of our society, but you will always reach a point where trying to stamp out that last bit you can't get ends up taking away things that make life worth living. I can't imagine more of a hell than being forced to live a life wrapped up in bubble wrap so someone else is convinced I'm "safe."

fuzztester 2y ago
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- psunavy03 2y ago
  Yeah, so you misrepresented what I said to call me an alcoholic and thus denigrate my point via an ad hominem. Instead of actually engaging with my argument on the merits, you misrepresent it and act like a troll. Goodbye, you aren't worth my time.
  - fuzztester 2y ago
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fuzztester 2y ago

Yes, but you are talking about data and logic, while I was making a point about humanity (humanitarianism? need to check which is appropriate). If you are from the US, and feeling defensive about my comment, and/or if you want to treat your people's deaths and crippling as just statistics, it's your call, shrug, and maybe also your death or crippling by gun violence some day, again, statistically, you know.

rightbyte 2y ago
If the success is not cheered we might regress to the old bad times. It is not like the only path forward is even less violent crimes.
compiler-guy 2y ago
The statistical probability of gun violence affecting me is much lower than it has been historically. That is worth celebrating. And I have seen exactly no one in this thread dismiss the ongoing pain caused by the remainder as negligible. But--and this is the entire point--that amount of ongoing pain is less than it has been in the past. Definitely still real, but less of it than before. Yes, we absolutely mourn those who are still affected by it, and we do what we can to prevent additional deaths. But the idea that we should not be happy about our progress is absurd.