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Denying the existence of something that you and everyone else has experienced is certainly an approach. Look, I’m not going to defend the author here. The link

Denying the existence of something that you and everyone else has experienced is certainly an approach. Look, I’m not going to defend the author here. The linked report reads to me like the output of a group of people who have become so insulated in their thinking on this subject that they’ve totally lost perspective. They give an 11% prior probability of earthworm sentience based on proxies like “avoiding noxious stimuli”, which is… really something. But I’m not so confused by a bad set of arguments that I think suffering doesn’t exist.

NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
> Denying the existence of something that you and everyone else has experienced is certainly an approach. You've experienced this mystical thing, and so you know it's true? > They give an 11% prior probability of earthworm sentience I'm having trouble holding in the laughter. But you don't seem to understand how dangerously deranged these people are. They'll convert you to their religion by hook or crook.
- bulletsvshumans 2y ago
  Setting aside the shrimp, are you denying that any humans, including yourself, experience suffering?
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
    Humans self-report "suffering". Strangely, those who claim it the most enthusiastically don't seem to be experiencing pain from disease or injury. I would hesitate to use that word myself, though my personal experiences have, at times, been somewhat similar to those who do use the word.
- mistercow 2y ago
  > You've experienced this mystical thing, and so you know it's true? Suffering is experience, and my own internal experiences are the things that I can be most certain of. So in this case, yes. I don’t know why you’re calling it “mystical” though. > They'll convert you to their religion by hook or crook. I have a lot more confidence in my ability to evaluate arguments than you seem to.

NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago

> Denying the existence of something that you and everyone else has experienced is certainly an approach. You've experienced this mystical thing, and so you know it's true? > They give an 11% prior probability of earthworm sentience I'm having trouble holding in the laughter. But you don't seem to understand how dangerously deranged these people are. They'll convert you to their religion by hook or crook.

bulletsvshumans 2y ago
Setting aside the shrimp, are you denying that any humans, including yourself, experience suffering?
- NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
  Humans self-report "suffering". Strangely, those who claim it the most enthusiastically don't seem to be experiencing pain from disease or injury. I would hesitate to use that word myself, though my personal experiences have, at times, been somewhat similar to those who do use the word.
mistercow 2y ago
> You've experienced this mystical thing, and so you know it's true? Suffering is experience, and my own internal experiences are the things that I can be most certain of. So in this case, yes. I don’t know why you’re calling it “mystical” though. > They'll convert you to their religion by hook or crook. I have a lot more confidence in my ability to evaluate arguments than you seem to.