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> However, (there) is never a _single_ instance of a Native American running away from their tribe to join the colonists I have heard and quoted this for years

> However, (there) is never a _single_ instance of a Native American running away from their tribe to join the colonists I have heard and quoted this for years, but I'm actually questioning whether it is true now. It just seems unbelievable when you think about it, and sort of feeds the "noble savage" trope. Out of hundreds of thousands or millions of Native Americans, there MUST have been some youth, at least one, seduced by the promised of western culture and voluntarily left their tribe and moved to a city or something. It just makes for a better story the other way around. Whether this was documented is another matter I guess.

gwbas1c 2y ago
It's worth reading "1491 (Second Edition): New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus" by Charles C Mann if you have the time. https://www.amazon.com/1491-Second-Revelations-Americas-Columbus-ebook/dp/B000JMKVE4/ref=sr_1_1?sr=8-1 https://www.amazon.com/1491-Second-Revelations-Americas-Colu... What happened is that European disease created massive pandemics that killed most of the American Indians. No one was seduced by western culture, because, in general, American Indians had a better standard of living than the European colonists. Where I live, (in Massachusetts,) the remaining American Indians integrated into European settlements because so few of them were left. I know its different elsewhere in the American continents; you can find out more if you read 1491 and its sequel 1493.
Manuel_D 2y ago
There are indeed such instances. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Occom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Occom The first indigenous Presbyterian minister Here's another: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Colbert https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Colbert A native American fought for Andrew Jackson and eventurally retired and set up a cotton plantation.
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sdeframond 2y ago
I believe Don C. Talayesva went to the colonist world, then came back to his village. He wrote Sun Chief, an autobiography which is a fascinating, candid and surprisingly easy read. Higly recommend! https://archive.org/details/sunchiefautobiog0000tala/page/n6/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/sunchiefautobiog0000tala/page/n6...
schainks 2y ago
There are multiple primary sources cited in Tribe (http://www.sebastianjunger.com/tribe-by-sebastian-junger http://www.sebastianjunger.com/tribe-by-sebastian-junger). Among the first things western men did native peoples was rape the women and spread disease. Word spreads fast when it comes to those things. Also, Captain Cook documented problems with his men raping and spreading disease on _all_ his travels. He lamented he did not have the power to control his men, and weighed disciplining them against facing a mutiny half a world away from a court that could do anything about it.

gwbas1c 2y ago

It's worth reading "1491 (Second Edition): New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus" by Charles C Mann if you have the time. https://www.amazon.com/1491-Second-Revelations-Americas-Columbus-ebook/dp/B000JMKVE4/ref=sr_1_1?sr=8-1 https://www.amazon.com/1491-Second-Revelations-Americas-Colu... What happened is that European disease created massive pandemics that killed most of the American Indians. No one was seduced by western culture, because, in general, American Indians had a better standard of living than the European colonists. Where I live, (in Massachusetts,) the remaining American Indians integrated into European settlements because so few of them were left. I know its different elsewhere in the American continents; you can find out more if you read 1491 and its sequel 1493.

Manuel_D 2y ago

There are indeed such instances. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Occom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Occom The first indigenous Presbyterian minister Here's another: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Colbert https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Colbert A native American fought for Andrew Jackson and eventurally retired and set up a cotton plantation.

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sdeframond 2y ago

I believe Don C. Talayesva went to the colonist world, then came back to his village. He wrote Sun Chief, an autobiography which is a fascinating, candid and surprisingly easy read. Higly recommend! https://archive.org/details/sunchiefautobiog0000tala/page/n6/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/sunchiefautobiog0000tala/page/n6...

schainks 2y ago

There are multiple primary sources cited in Tribe (http://www.sebastianjunger.com/tribe-by-sebastian-junger http://www.sebastianjunger.com/tribe-by-sebastian-junger). Among the first things western men did native peoples was rape the women and spread disease. Word spreads fast when it comes to those things. Also, Captain Cook documented problems with his men raping and spreading disease on _all_ his travels. He lamented he did not have the power to control his men, and weighed disciplining them against facing a mutiny half a world away from a court that could do anything about it.