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> For the slave patrol point, I would appreciate a single example of this phenomenon Potter, Gary "The History of Policing in the United States"[1] references

> For the slave patrol point, I would appreciate a single example of this phenomenon Potter, Gary "The History of Policing in the United States"[1] references Platt, Tony, "Crime and Punishment in the United States: Immediate and Long-Term Reforms from a Marxist Perspective, Crime and Social Justice 18" 1. https://www.academia.edu/30504361/The_History_of_Policing_in_the_United_States https://www.academia.edu/30504361/The_History_of_Policing_in...

joemazerino 2y ago
Marxist references are valid?
- sangnoir 2y ago
  I suppose if you dismiss an article out of hand due to the ideology of the author without even seeing what historical facts they claim or their references, they might not be valuable to you. Should progressive academics declare all CATO papers invalid because they are ideologically misaligned with the institute?
adolph 2y ago
Did you read Platt? Its a mistake to grant any assertion as valid, especially given what we now know about academic fraud. The Platt article is freely available and does not reference slavery in any way that I can see from searching (the bad OCR) and quickly reading through the paragraphs. Potter: The genesis of the modern police organization in the South is the “Slave Patrol” (Platt 1982). Potter: Platt, Tony, “Crime and Punishment in the United States: Immediate and Long-Term Reforms from a Marxist Perspective, Crime and Social Justice 18 (1982). "CRIME AND PUNISHMENT IN THE UNITED STATES: IMMEDIATE AND LONG-TERM REFORMS FROM A MARXIST PERSPECTIVE" Tony Platt Crime and Social Justice, No. 18, REMAKING JUSTICE (Winter 1982), pp. 38-45 (8 pages) 1. https://www.jstor.org/stable/29766165 https://www.jstor.org/stable/29766165
- sangnoir 2y ago
  I have noted we have shifted from "I can't find a single example" to "I don't trust the first provided source", and yet there are plenty of other sources, if you're searching in good faith. The history of the United States is well documented - it was only for a brief period during reconstruction that policing was deracialized in the American South, and even saw a number of formerly-enslaved lawmen. There were numerous violent revolts against this, and in support of white supremacy in places like Oklahoma, Louisiana[1], Mississippi and elsewhere where egalitarian leaders were ran out of town, and the law enforcement (along other administrative leadership) was reconfigured against the then "new", post-civil-war ways. Do you see any functional differences between slave patrols (membership free from white land owners or their nominees) and the group that overthrew and reconstituted reconstruction-era law enforcement (mobs drew from white landowners, or their hired grunts). https://naucenter.as.virginia.edu/blog-page/1761 https://naucenter.as.virginia.edu/blog-page/1761
  - adolph 2y ago
    Don’t “good faith” me with a reference that you claim supports your assertion but in actuality does not. You made an assertion and can defend it or abandon it. If evidence for your claim was as plentiful as you claim, you would just add another link. You didn’t.
    - sangnoir 2y ago
      > If evidence for your claim was as plentiful as you claim, you would just add another link. I gave examples of 3 southern states (and a link to one, detailing how the law enforcement was devolved to antebellum mores in Louisiana)
      - adolph 2y ago
        Did you post these under a different username? I see no evidence here: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=sangnoir https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=sangnoir Again, if evidence was as plentiful as you claim, a person would add a link instead of typing about examples and links elsewhere.

joemazerino 2y ago

Marxist references are valid?

sangnoir 2y ago
I suppose if you dismiss an article out of hand due to the ideology of the author without even seeing what historical facts they claim or their references, they might not be valuable to you. Should progressive academics declare all CATO papers invalid because they are ideologically misaligned with the institute?

adolph 2y ago

Did you read Platt? Its a mistake to grant any assertion as valid, especially given what we now know about academic fraud. The Platt article is freely available and does not reference slavery in any way that I can see from searching (the bad OCR) and quickly reading through the paragraphs. Potter: The genesis of the modern police organization in the South is the “Slave Patrol” (Platt 1982). Potter: Platt, Tony, “Crime and Punishment in the United States: Immediate and Long-Term Reforms from a Marxist Perspective, Crime and Social Justice 18 (1982). "CRIME AND PUNISHMENT IN THE UNITED STATES: IMMEDIATE AND LONG-TERM REFORMS FROM A MARXIST PERSPECTIVE" Tony Platt Crime and Social Justice, No. 18, REMAKING JUSTICE (Winter 1982), pp. 38-45 (8 pages) 1. https://www.jstor.org/stable/29766165 https://www.jstor.org/stable/29766165

sangnoir 2y ago
I have noted we have shifted from "I can't find a single example" to "I don't trust the first provided source", and yet there are plenty of other sources, if you're searching in good faith. The history of the United States is well documented - it was only for a brief period during reconstruction that policing was deracialized in the American South, and even saw a number of formerly-enslaved lawmen. There were numerous violent revolts against this, and in support of white supremacy in places like Oklahoma, Louisiana[1], Mississippi and elsewhere where egalitarian leaders were ran out of town, and the law enforcement (along other administrative leadership) was reconfigured against the then "new", post-civil-war ways. Do you see any functional differences between slave patrols (membership free from white land owners or their nominees) and the group that overthrew and reconstituted reconstruction-era law enforcement (mobs drew from white landowners, or their hired grunts). https://naucenter.as.virginia.edu/blog-page/1761 https://naucenter.as.virginia.edu/blog-page/1761
- adolph 2y ago
  Don’t “good faith” me with a reference that you claim supports your assertion but in actuality does not. You made an assertion and can defend it or abandon it. If evidence for your claim was as plentiful as you claim, you would just add another link. You didn’t.
  - sangnoir 2y ago
    > If evidence for your claim was as plentiful as you claim, you would just add another link. I gave examples of 3 southern states (and a link to one, detailing how the law enforcement was devolved to antebellum mores in Louisiana)
    - adolph 2y ago
      Did you post these under a different username? I see no evidence here: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=sangnoir https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=sangnoir Again, if evidence was as plentiful as you claim, a person would add a link instead of typing about examples and links elsewhere.