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I kinda think the whole thing is just Elon tricking republicans into buying electric cars.

solardev 2y ago
Masterful move right there. Maybe he can trick them all into going to Mars next? They don't call it the Red Planet for nuthin.
- jjtheblunt 2y ago
  that's the first thing about politics that made me smile in months i think.
larkost 2y ago
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- hkpack 2y ago
  > As evidence look at all of the quickly disproven posts on a wide range of topics that Elon has posted. He did no research at all before posting those things (despite a large following, and thus large responsibility). He "felt" that the post was good/right, so he went with it. Or, more likely, he knows exactly what he is doing.
  - datavirtue 2y ago
    Nah...
- scottyah 2y ago
  There's also the closing of his factory by the lady that didn't like him during covid, the Biden administration's decision to never mention Tesla, instead proclaiming that manufacturers like GM were making America Electric (Tesla sold way more electric cars, and they are much more American).
  - Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
    > the Biden administration's decision to never mention Tesla, instead proclaiming that manufacturers like GM were making America Electric (Tesla sold way more electric cars, and they are much more American). This always bugged me. Look, I'm no fan of Elon Musk, but Tesla has been the most influential car manufacturer in the EV space. To blatantly ignore them when talking about the electrification of cars in America is simply madness.
- Pxtl 2y ago
  He also had kind of a meltdown during the initial period of COVID isolation when his factories were closed too. I think it was that double-whammy: both his trans daughter and the threat of COVID shutdowns destroying Tesla happened pretty close to each other. Those combined drove him not just to traditional fiscal conservatism but to the modern populist identity-driven Trump politics. That and he's visibly obsessed with validation and popularity and going hard-right has given him that in spades. He wants to be cheered-for at rallies the way Trump is... remember the time that Dave Chappelle brought him out on stage in SF and he was greeted with a wave of boos?
jayd16 2y ago
Is that why the EV subsidy is getting repealed?
- pstuart 2y ago
  The incoming administration has shown contempt for programs created by the "other side". They're strongly against renewable energy in general, and their patrons are oil and gas people.
klooney 2y ago
Which is good, we don't want electric cars to become a culture war issue
- pstuart 2y ago
  > we don't want electric cars to become a culture war issue Too late. I'm happy to be proven wrong at some point.
- datavirtue 2y ago
  Have you ever gotten behind a diesel truck with emissions deleted? I have...a lot. The roll coal crowd doesn't have EV on their radar whatsoever.
  - bluGill 2y ago
    That isn't quite true. They are aware of EV trucks - they won't buy one of course, but they are aware. They spread stories about those trucks not having any useful range (which is true - when pulling a trailer or driving well over the speed limit the EVs lose range) Those diesel trucks they drive get 600 miles unloaded.
    - klooney 2y ago
      I think the Cybertruck has a lot of crossover appeal.
      - datavirtue 2y ago
        Aside from being useless? That truck is a toy, nothing more. You better have a backup vehicle.
  - grecy 2y ago
    Which is fine. Deleted trucks are already illegal, and soon enough you won’t be able to buy a new ICE vehicle. They will be gone in my lifetime.
MetaWhirledPeas 2y ago
I think there are a lot of little reasons all combined, and that is definitely one of them. - Heavy criticism over the past 6 years from traditional news sources (even tech sources like Ars Technica)... basically ever since the Tham Luang cave rescue* - Thick hate from people in the comments sections - Government agencies interfering with SpaceX and Tesla - Biden administration ignoring his carbon tax suggestion - Biden administration snubbing Tesla at the EV Summit - His family transgender drama - COVID mandates shutting down his manufacturing for a period of time - Conservatives not buying EVs If you look at all his points of friction in recent years it's not much of a surprise to see the transformation. *The cave rescue was a sad turning point for Musk. He endured excessive ridicule for pushing for a technological solution, then really stepped in it with his bitter accusations against that rescue diver.
datavirtue 2y ago
He wants the tax credit snuffed out to eliminate US competition and tarrifs against imports to eliminate foreign competition. No tax credit, no Rivian. I can see why he wants that. Their build quality and manufacturing ability trounce the Tesla when they were at that stage. Rivian has full EV vans in production and on the road daily. Impressive as hell.

Masterful move right there. Maybe he can trick them all into going to Mars next? They don't call it the Red Planet for nuthin.

jjtheblunt 2y ago
that's the first thing about politics that made me smile in months i think.

larkost 2y ago

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hkpack 2y ago
> As evidence look at all of the quickly disproven posts on a wide range of topics that Elon has posted. He did no research at all before posting those things (despite a large following, and thus large responsibility). He "felt" that the post was good/right, so he went with it. Or, more likely, he knows exactly what he is doing.
- datavirtue 2y ago
  Nah...
scottyah 2y ago
There's also the closing of his factory by the lady that didn't like him during covid, the Biden administration's decision to never mention Tesla, instead proclaiming that manufacturers like GM were making America Electric (Tesla sold way more electric cars, and they are much more American).
- Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
  > the Biden administration's decision to never mention Tesla, instead proclaiming that manufacturers like GM were making America Electric (Tesla sold way more electric cars, and they are much more American). This always bugged me. Look, I'm no fan of Elon Musk, but Tesla has been the most influential car manufacturer in the EV space. To blatantly ignore them when talking about the electrification of cars in America is simply madness.
Pxtl 2y ago
He also had kind of a meltdown during the initial period of COVID isolation when his factories were closed too. I think it was that double-whammy: both his trans daughter and the threat of COVID shutdowns destroying Tesla happened pretty close to each other. Those combined drove him not just to traditional fiscal conservatism but to the modern populist identity-driven Trump politics. That and he's visibly obsessed with validation and popularity and going hard-right has given him that in spades. He wants to be cheered-for at rallies the way Trump is... remember the time that Dave Chappelle brought him out on stage in SF and he was greeted with a wave of boos?

jayd16 2y ago

Is that why the EV subsidy is getting repealed?

pstuart 2y ago
The incoming administration has shown contempt for programs created by the "other side". They're strongly against renewable energy in general, and their patrons are oil and gas people.

klooney 2y ago

Which is good, we don't want electric cars to become a culture war issue

pstuart 2y ago
> we don't want electric cars to become a culture war issue Too late. I'm happy to be proven wrong at some point.
datavirtue 2y ago
Have you ever gotten behind a diesel truck with emissions deleted? I have...a lot. The roll coal crowd doesn't have EV on their radar whatsoever.
- bluGill 2y ago
  That isn't quite true. They are aware of EV trucks - they won't buy one of course, but they are aware. They spread stories about those trucks not having any useful range (which is true - when pulling a trailer or driving well over the speed limit the EVs lose range) Those diesel trucks they drive get 600 miles unloaded.
  - klooney 2y ago
    I think the Cybertruck has a lot of crossover appeal.
    - datavirtue 2y ago
      Aside from being useless? That truck is a toy, nothing more. You better have a backup vehicle.
- grecy 2y ago
  Which is fine. Deleted trucks are already illegal, and soon enough you won’t be able to buy a new ICE vehicle. They will be gone in my lifetime.

MetaWhirledPeas 2y ago

I think there are a lot of little reasons all combined, and that is definitely one of them. - Heavy criticism over the past 6 years from traditional news sources (even tech sources like Ars Technica)... basically ever since the Tham Luang cave rescue* - Thick hate from people in the comments sections - Government agencies interfering with SpaceX and Tesla - Biden administration ignoring his carbon tax suggestion - Biden administration snubbing Tesla at the EV Summit - His family transgender drama - COVID mandates shutting down his manufacturing for a period of time - Conservatives not buying EVs If you look at all his points of friction in recent years it's not much of a surprise to see the transformation. *The cave rescue was a sad turning point for Musk. He endured excessive ridicule for pushing for a technological solution, then really stepped in it with his bitter accusations against that rescue diver.

datavirtue 2y ago

He wants the tax credit snuffed out to eliminate US competition and tarrifs against imports to eliminate foreign competition. No tax credit, no Rivian. I can see why he wants that. Their build quality and manufacturing ability trounce the Tesla when they were at that stage. Rivian has full EV vans in production and on the road daily. Impressive as hell.