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> We don’t need any Oct 7th type attacks happening on home soil. USA has 1-2 mass shootings everyday on average. This is far worse than a singular big attack.

> We don’t need any Oct 7th type attacks happening on home soil. USA has 1-2 mass shootings everyday on average. This is far worse than a singular big attack. And how long would the reaction of police to any big attack even take? Is it actually realistic that they will have a useful impact with big guns?

potato3732842 2y ago
>USA has 1-2 mass shootings everyday on average. 2+ victims is a mass shooting per the FBI definition so while what you say is technically true it's also a particularly evil way to mislead the reader as the typical mass shooting of the FBI definition consists of 2-4 people shot over the course of an otherwise normal crime wheres the colloquial definition of "mass shooting" is more along the lines of a crazy suicidal person killing as many others as they can.
- agubelu 2y ago
  The USA is the only first-world country I'm aware of where many people are happy to argue that a 2+ victim shooting (in any context) is NOT a mass shooting.
  - tomsmeding 2y ago
    "2" being a large number of people to be killed in a crime does not necessarily make it sensible (to me, a Dutchman, very much not American) to call that crime a "mass shooting". If the crime was e.g. a bank robbery (sorry for the unimaginative example), and they shot a member of staff and later a civilian to get away, then that's a robbery with two dead, not a mass shooting. What people imagine when you say "mass shooting" is sensational stories from (predominantly) the US where some mad kid takes a gun to a school and shoots around. If that kid shoots 2 people, that's a mass shooting with 2 dead.
  - subjectsigma 2y ago
    Gun control advocates will say things like: > Mass shootings like Columbine happen every day in America. The guy you’re replying to (and I as well) are saying that this is an intentionally misleading statement. Three people being wounded but not killed in a shootout they started is still considered on the same level as dozens of innocent children being hurt and killed. IMO that’s straight up misinformation. It’s designed to illicit the strongest emotional reaction possible, while being not even technically wrong. America has lots of problems, and guns are definitely one of them. Everyone agrees with this, we just disagree on how to fix it. Twisting words and lying is never helpful.
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
Mass shootings as defined to inflate statistics by groups like the Gun Violence Archive aren’t what people usually think of when they think of mass shootings. Those figures include anything with four victims including gang violence, robberies, etc. The more accurate measure is from the Mother Jones database, which lists just two this year.

potato3732842 2y ago

>USA has 1-2 mass shootings everyday on average. 2+ victims is a mass shooting per the FBI definition so while what you say is technically true it's also a particularly evil way to mislead the reader as the typical mass shooting of the FBI definition consists of 2-4 people shot over the course of an otherwise normal crime wheres the colloquial definition of "mass shooting" is more along the lines of a crazy suicidal person killing as many others as they can.

agubelu 2y ago
The USA is the only first-world country I'm aware of where many people are happy to argue that a 2+ victim shooting (in any context) is NOT a mass shooting.
- tomsmeding 2y ago
  "2" being a large number of people to be killed in a crime does not necessarily make it sensible (to me, a Dutchman, very much not American) to call that crime a "mass shooting". If the crime was e.g. a bank robbery (sorry for the unimaginative example), and they shot a member of staff and later a civilian to get away, then that's a robbery with two dead, not a mass shooting. What people imagine when you say "mass shooting" is sensational stories from (predominantly) the US where some mad kid takes a gun to a school and shoots around. If that kid shoots 2 people, that's a mass shooting with 2 dead.
- subjectsigma 2y ago
  Gun control advocates will say things like: > Mass shootings like Columbine happen every day in America. The guy you’re replying to (and I as well) are saying that this is an intentionally misleading statement. Three people being wounded but not killed in a shootout they started is still considered on the same level as dozens of innocent children being hurt and killed. IMO that’s straight up misinformation. It’s designed to illicit the strongest emotional reaction possible, while being not even technically wrong. America has lots of problems, and guns are definitely one of them. Everyone agrees with this, we just disagree on how to fix it. Twisting words and lying is never helpful.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

Mass shootings as defined to inflate statistics by groups like the Gun Violence Archive aren’t what people usually think of when they think of mass shootings. Those figures include anything with four victims including gang violence, robberies, etc. The more accurate measure is from the Mother Jones database, which lists just two this year.