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I don't see myself ever using anything other than Laravel, but love these kinds of projects just to see what new ideas they might spark for the wider PHP commun

I don't see myself ever using anything other than Laravel, but love these kinds of projects just to see what new ideas they might spark for the wider PHP community. Also interested in https://tempestphp.com/ https://tempestphp.com/

notrab 2y ago
That looks awesome!
racl101 2y ago
I was about to start looking for a PHP micro framework. I wish Lumen was still supported.
- notrab 2y ago
  Is FuelPHP or CodeIgniter still going? Those were my two favourites back in the day before Laravel came on the scene.
  - crowcroft 2y ago
    I don't think Fuel is at all, and CodeIgniter is... but not really? IMO Laravel is kind of the spiritual successor to CodeIgniter, although of course a lot has changed between V1 and V11
    - notrab 2y ago
      True true. I went back and forth so much in the early days of CodeIgniter, Rails, Fuel and Cake. Eventually discovered just building stuff was going to bring me the most joy, no matter the tool. It's been a joy learning PHP again though, even if I do suck at it right now.
- leftnode 2y ago
  Symfony 7.2 can work as a micro framework, believe it or not: https://symfony.com/blog/new-in-symfony-7-2-simpler-single-file-symfony-applications https://symfony.com/blog/new-in-symfony-7-2-simpler-single-f...
  - gregoriol 2y ago
    They say it "can" but it is not first class in their docs or minds, so it's mostly up to you to figure out how to do most of things then. It would be better to have an independent micro framework with a clear scope of what it can and cannot do compared to the full Symfony stack.
- crowcroft 2y ago
  When you say micro framework, what are you looking for? If you're just looking for a routing library then something like Symfony Flex might be what you want. I find when I start a project I pretty quickly want to add an ORM, models, and maybe some middleware, and then I'm at a point where I might as well just use Laravel because it's fast enough and I know my way around.
- james2doyle 2y ago
  Can't go wrong with Slim: https://www.slimframework.com/ https://www.slimframework.com/ But if you're looking for something more modern and interesting, then Hyperf looks pretty cool. They have a mini-framework version you can check out: https://github.com/hyperf/nano https://github.com/hyperf/nano It does require Swoole, but that is a lot easier to get your hands on these days
endofreach 2y ago
While it's indeed too much boilerplate necessary for good DI, just the first paragraph sounds insane to me: "Tempest features a unique concept called discovery. Tempest will scan your code and find out what to do with it: from controller routes to event handlers, from console commands to dependency initializers; Tempest will detect everything without you having to write a single line of configuration or bootstrap code."

notrab 2y ago

That looks awesome!

racl101 2y ago

I was about to start looking for a PHP micro framework. I wish Lumen was still supported.

notrab 2y ago
Is FuelPHP or CodeIgniter still going? Those were my two favourites back in the day before Laravel came on the scene.
- crowcroft 2y ago
  I don't think Fuel is at all, and CodeIgniter is... but not really? IMO Laravel is kind of the spiritual successor to CodeIgniter, although of course a lot has changed between V1 and V11
  - notrab 2y ago
    True true. I went back and forth so much in the early days of CodeIgniter, Rails, Fuel and Cake. Eventually discovered just building stuff was going to bring me the most joy, no matter the tool. It's been a joy learning PHP again though, even if I do suck at it right now.
leftnode 2y ago
Symfony 7.2 can work as a micro framework, believe it or not: https://symfony.com/blog/new-in-symfony-7-2-simpler-single-file-symfony-applications https://symfony.com/blog/new-in-symfony-7-2-simpler-single-f...
- gregoriol 2y ago
  They say it "can" but it is not first class in their docs or minds, so it's mostly up to you to figure out how to do most of things then. It would be better to have an independent micro framework with a clear scope of what it can and cannot do compared to the full Symfony stack.
crowcroft 2y ago
When you say micro framework, what are you looking for? If you're just looking for a routing library then something like Symfony Flex might be what you want. I find when I start a project I pretty quickly want to add an ORM, models, and maybe some middleware, and then I'm at a point where I might as well just use Laravel because it's fast enough and I know my way around.
james2doyle 2y ago
Can't go wrong with Slim: https://www.slimframework.com/ https://www.slimframework.com/ But if you're looking for something more modern and interesting, then Hyperf looks pretty cool. They have a mini-framework version you can check out: https://github.com/hyperf/nano https://github.com/hyperf/nano It does require Swoole, but that is a lot easier to get your hands on these days

endofreach 2y ago

While it's indeed too much boilerplate necessary for good DI, just the first paragraph sounds insane to me: "Tempest features a unique concept called discovery. Tempest will scan your code and find out what to do with it: from controller routes to event handlers, from console commands to dependency initializers; Tempest will detect everything without you having to write a single line of configuration or bootstrap code."