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at these points, these cable cuts are more dangerous than actual bombs

pavel_lishin 2y ago
I'm not convinced that cutting an internet cable - even a vital one - results in more actual death and human misery than actual bombs falling on urban centers.
- matthewdgreen 2y ago
  There is a point where this kind of aggression, left unchecked, may ultimately lead to actual bombs falling on urban centers. It's already happening in Ukraine. The global peace we all enjoy in the West is based on the idea that the price of aggression is higher than the benefits.
  - SiempreViernes 2y ago
    "this kind", "left unchecked", "may ultimately"; that's three levels of maybes used to defend a definitive "are more dangerous" claim, not exactly inspiring rigour.
- matthewdgreen 2y ago
  There is a point where this kind of aggression, left unchecked, may ultimately lead to actual bombs falling on urban centers. It's already happening in the Ukraine. The global peace we all enjoy in the West is based on the idea that the price of aggression is higher than the benefits. Also: Internet cables today, essential power distribution cables tomorrow. Infrastructure is fragile, and human lives will eventually be at stake.
  - pavel_lishin 2y ago
    I mean, you're not wrong. And in general, this is ... high-stakes bullying. And if you let them get away with this, I agree that they'll keep pushing the boundary, even more than they already have;
bobnamob 2y ago
? Seriously? Cables getting cut is only dangerous because it’s an escalation that may lead to bombs. There aren’t thousands of civilians dying because Finland doesn’t have high speed fibre to Germany.
SiempreViernes 2y ago
I'd prefer if the devs added resilience to network outage over having navies fight each other... Especially as navies are just fundamentally not constructed to defend extended things like a cable: starting a war over them is the best way to ensure every cable is cut.
- imp0cat 2y ago
  Like it or not, somebody will have to do something about Russia, sooner or later.
  - SiempreViernes 2y ago
    Could you maybe be specific about what you mean by "somebody" doing "something"?
    - rightbyte 2y ago
      'Somebody' is 'the US' and 'something' is 'extended suicide'.
    - imp0cat 2y ago
      Sure, let me find my crystal ball.

I'm not convinced that cutting an internet cable - even a vital one - results in more actual death and human misery than actual bombs falling on urban centers.

matthewdgreen 2y ago
There is a point where this kind of aggression, left unchecked, may ultimately lead to actual bombs falling on urban centers. It's already happening in Ukraine. The global peace we all enjoy in the West is based on the idea that the price of aggression is higher than the benefits.
- SiempreViernes 2y ago
  "this kind", "left unchecked", "may ultimately"; that's three levels of maybes used to defend a definitive "are more dangerous" claim, not exactly inspiring rigour.
matthewdgreen 2y ago
There is a point where this kind of aggression, left unchecked, may ultimately lead to actual bombs falling on urban centers. It's already happening in the Ukraine. The global peace we all enjoy in the West is based on the idea that the price of aggression is higher than the benefits. Also: Internet cables today, essential power distribution cables tomorrow. Infrastructure is fragile, and human lives will eventually be at stake.
- pavel_lishin 2y ago
  I mean, you're not wrong. And in general, this is ... high-stakes bullying. And if you let them get away with this, I agree that they'll keep pushing the boundary, even more than they already have;

bobnamob 2y ago

? Seriously? Cables getting cut is only dangerous because it’s an escalation that may lead to bombs. There aren’t thousands of civilians dying because Finland doesn’t have high speed fibre to Germany.

SiempreViernes 2y ago

I'd prefer if the devs added resilience to network outage over having navies fight each other... Especially as navies are just fundamentally not constructed to defend extended things like a cable: starting a war over them is the best way to ensure every cable is cut.

imp0cat 2y ago
Like it or not, somebody will have to do something about Russia, sooner or later.
- SiempreViernes 2y ago
  Could you maybe be specific about what you mean by "somebody" doing "something"?
  - rightbyte 2y ago
    'Somebody' is 'the US' and 'something' is 'extended suicide'.
  - imp0cat 2y ago
    Sure, let me find my crystal ball.