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It'd be nice to see stories about a western navy or two getting off its butt, and actually trying to discourage "accidents" which damage critical infrastructure
by bell-cot 2y ago
It'd be nice to see stories about a western navy or two getting off its butt, and actually trying to discourage "accidents" which damage critical infrastructure.
- pavel_lishin 2y agoOn the other hand, I'd rather see cables get cut than watch shells get lobbed between world powers.
- myworkinisgood 2y agoat these points, these cable cuts are more dangerous than actual bombs
- pavel_lishin 2y agoI'm not convinced that cutting an internet cable - even a vital one - results in more actual death and human misery than actual bombs falling on urban centers.
- matthewdgreen 2y agoThere is a point where this kind of aggression, left unchecked, may ultimately lead to actual bombs falling on urban centers. It's already happening in Ukraine. The global peace we all enjoy in the West is based on the idea that the price of aggression is higher than the benefits.
- SiempreViernes 2y ago"this kind", "left unchecked", "may ultimately"; that's three levels of maybes used to defend a definitive "are more dangerous" claim, not exactly inspiring rigour.
- matthewdgreen 2y agoThere is a point where this kind of aggression, left unchecked, may ultimately lead to actual bombs falling on urban centers. It's already happening in the Ukraine. The global peace we all enjoy in the West is based on the idea that the price of aggression is higher than the benefits. Also: Internet cables today, essential power distribution cables tomorrow. Infrastructure is fragile, and human lives will eventually be at stake.
- pavel_lishin 2y agoI mean, you're not wrong. And in general, this is ... high-stakes bullying. And if you let them get away with this, I agree that they'll keep pushing the boundary, even more than they already have;
- bobnamob 2y ago? Seriously? Cables getting cut is only dangerous because it’s an escalation that may lead to bombs. There aren’t thousands of civilians dying because Finland doesn’t have high speed fibre to Germany.
- SiempreViernes 2y agoI'd prefer if the devs added resilience to network outage over having navies fight each other... Especially as navies are just fundamentally not constructed to defend extended things like a cable: starting a war over them is the best way to ensure every cable is cut.
- imp0cat 2y agoLike it or not, somebody will have to do something about Russia, sooner or later.
- SiempreViernes 2y agoCould you maybe be specific about what you mean by "somebody" doing "something"?
- bell-cot 2y agoThere are quite a few response levels between "don't even bother monitoring the sabotage" and "start WWIII".
- hdjjhhvvhga 2y agoAs the saying goes, who lets others cut cables to have peace deserves neither and will have both taken away.
- toss1 2y agoThey do already, but do need reinforcement. >>"“We put in place a National Maritime Information Centre in about 2010 and we needed a Joint Maritime Operations Coordination Centre alongside it, because we said very firmly we have to take threats to our territorial seas and exclusive economic zone very, very seriously. They are now in place, which is good, but they need to be really reinforced and the departments involved need to fully man them, because otherwise we are not going to be able to counter what is a very real and present threat and could cause major major damage to our nation.”" [0] [0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-undersea-cables-russia-threat-b2326789.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-undersea-...
- mikeyouse 2y agoAlas, some would rather let criminal governments invade sovereign countries, commit acts of global sabotage and murder dissidents all over the world rather than take any action at all to dissuade them. Peace through appeasement is likely to work as well as it has at any other point in history.
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- whythre 2y agoRight? Turns out having a spine is really annoying and inconvenient for the ruling class who now find themselves actually having to fend off interlopers.
- rightbyte 2y agoAre you referring to the US or Russia here? Hard to tell when you talk in riddles.
- faizmokh 2y agoNot gonna lie. I thought of US first instead of Russia.
- heraldgeezer 2y agohttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65309687 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65309687 Russia has a programme to sabotage wind farms and communication cables in the North Sea, according to new allegations. The details come from a joint investigation by public broadcasters in Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland. It says Russia has a fleet of vessels disguised as fishing trawlers and research vessels in the North Sea.
- meiraleal 2y agoIt is time to get off your high horses and realize that western military might doesn't rule the world anymore.