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>KiCad is faster, absolutely not better. Not what I've heard, and CERN seems to think it's good enough for their particle colliders. >No open source tooling c
by shiroiushi 2y ago
>KiCad is faster, absolutely not better.
Not what I've heard, and CERN seems to think it's good enough for their particle colliders.
>No open source tooling can even remotely compare in ASIC implementation flow or FPGA implementation.
Yes, FPGA tools are a very different matter. I do wonder if this is really lock-in from vendors more than any preference by users, but still, sufficiently motivated users could reverse-engineer things to try to make a single open-source toolset that works with all vendors' FPGAs. Of course, the feasibility of this is questionable, but we've seen really impressive reverse-engineering efforts in other places in FOSS. Just look at how futile it is for YouTube to try to prevent people from downloading their videos.
- hn492912 2y agoLarge institutions like CERN run everything. But the advanced stuff is definitely not on KiCAD. It doesn't have support for the right simulation models. https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/cern-selects-cadence-services-to-create-and-maintain-design-environments-for-internal-teams-and-partners/ https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/cern-selects-cadence-service... "The CERN physics department is deploying the Cadence analog and digital end-to-end solutions as well as the Cadence verification and Allegro PCB solutions throughout the support of its CERN IT department."
- nubinetwork 2y agoKicad isn't a simulator, it's a pcb designer.
- hn492912 2y agoLook at slide 32 and 33 https://archive.fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/advanced_sim/attachments/slides/5019/export/events/attachments/advanced_sim/slides/5019/FOSDEM_2022_Kicad_PCB_Simulation.pdf https://archive.fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/advanced_sim/...
- nubinetwork 2y agoThat sounds nice, but I haven't seen any of those features drop yet... I wouldn't be surprised if altium can do simulations, but it's not exactly a free/OSS product.
- _fizz_buzz_ 2y agoCERN is of course a massive organisation where people use lots of tools. But the annoncemnet you posted is from 2011 and CERN started using KiCad some time later (2014 or so). And there is definitely some advanced stuff they are working on that is done in KiCad such as Macbeth [1] They also have a service contract with KiCad Services Corporation. [2] [1] https://ohwr.org/project/macbeth https://ohwr.org/project/macbeth [2] https://cernandsocietyfoundation.cern/news/significant-milestone-regarding-cerns-involvement-development-kicad https://cernandsocietyfoundation.cern/news/significant-miles...