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In Europe this would have been a completely different story. It's highly unlikely (compared to the US) that a SWAT team equivalent would kill anyone. The guy co

In Europe this would have been a completely different story. It's highly unlikely (compared to the US) that a SWAT team equivalent would kill anyone. The guy could have got away with 5-7 years max. I know it's a museum, but I prefer to live here.

tptacek 2y ago
That's probably about what he'll get here.
lupusreal 2y ago
A European swatting may be highly unlikely to succeed in killing somebody, but the murderous intent is still there. It should be punished as attempted murder both in America and Europe.
- delusional 2y ago
  6 years is the baseline for attempted murder in denmark.
  - aidenn0 2y ago
    What's the baseline for 100s of attempted murders?
croisillon 2y ago
i kind of remember a journalist having a heart attack 10 years ago during a swatting event in france but i couldn't find it anymore
- dani__german 2y ago
  remarkably similar story to JStark1809, creator of the FGC9 [1] and thus a great boon to the people in Myanmar fighting against a tyrannical government. JStark died of a heart attack during a european swat raid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGC-9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGC-9
pb7 2y ago
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pugworthy 2y ago
It seems statistically rare (highly unlikely) that a SWAT team would injure or kill someone in the US too. I can only find references to 3 - of which only 1 is a result of a direct shooting by law enforcement. The other two are a shooting of law enforcement and a heart attack. Here is my reference for 3 events in the US (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting#Injuries_or_deaths_due_to_swatting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting#Injuries_or_deaths_du...).
5h56nb5 2y ago
I have been following swatting incidents of content creators for years and I have learned that police jurisdictions where this happens frequently in are becoming wiser and spreading information around, so the threat of getting killed from a swatting incident has gone down. Places with pockets of content creators like Austin Texas have become very aware of these types of things. If you are a content creator, or someone who might be at risk for swatting you can call your local PD and explain the situation. You can let them know that you understand they must respond to those types of calls, but just wanted to call in and let them know it could happen. Most are happy to hear from you and take note. Before swattings became popular, people used to send pizzas (popularized by old 4chan) and you would have to call all the pizza places in your area and get your address blacklisted. That was a pain.
- dmonitor 2y ago
  Ye olde 4chan's reputation for being an evil website is funny in retrospect. The mortality rate on phony pizza deliveries is pretty close to zero and harmless compared to what goes down on the internet these days.
- buffington 2y ago
  I'd recommend that if you receive threats of a swatting, whether you're a content creator or not, it's a good idea to talk to your local police department about it the moment it happens. Unfortunately, I speak from experience. I received a credible threat, called my local PD, and they began to investigate immediately. They also put notes in their dispatch system (which is shared by the local SWAT team) indicating that this had happened before, and to proceed with extreme caution. The "swatter" never did follow through on the first attempt, but did follow through about 6 months later. I didn't get any threats from the swatter that time, but did get a call from my local PD while I was at work, and they let me know they'd driven by my place and called it off after being confident it was a false alarm. Anticipating questions: no, there's no sort of protocol I setup with the PD. They have to investigate every threat, and even if we setup some sort of "shared secret" ahead of time, if a swatter says I'm cutting up my family in the basement, the PD can't know with certainty that I'm not. About the best I can do is make sure to answer the door when/if the PD shows up so they can more quickly establish things are safe. Also: the attackers were after some OG Twitter accounts I used to use, and they thought they could intimidate me into giving the accounts to them.
shermantanktop 2y ago
It’s a nice museum!
ICameToComment 2y ago
Nevertheless European, especially German police, is obviously also prone to go all in without establishing any kind of context. One email is sufficient. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41550043 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41550043

tptacek 2y ago

That's probably about what he'll get here.

lupusreal 2y ago

A European swatting may be highly unlikely to succeed in killing somebody, but the murderous intent is still there. It should be punished as attempted murder both in America and Europe.

delusional 2y ago
6 years is the baseline for attempted murder in denmark.
- aidenn0 2y ago
  What's the baseline for 100s of attempted murders?

croisillon 2y ago

i kind of remember a journalist having a heart attack 10 years ago during a swatting event in france but i couldn't find it anymore

dani__german 2y ago
remarkably similar story to JStark1809, creator of the FGC9 [1] and thus a great boon to the people in Myanmar fighting against a tyrannical government. JStark died of a heart attack during a european swat raid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGC-9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGC-9

pb7 2y ago

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pugworthy 2y ago

It seems statistically rare (highly unlikely) that a SWAT team would injure or kill someone in the US too. I can only find references to 3 - of which only 1 is a result of a direct shooting by law enforcement. The other two are a shooting of law enforcement and a heart attack. Here is my reference for 3 events in the US (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting#Injuries_or_deaths_due_to_swatting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting#Injuries_or_deaths_du...).

5h56nb5 2y ago

I have been following swatting incidents of content creators for years and I have learned that police jurisdictions where this happens frequently in are becoming wiser and spreading information around, so the threat of getting killed from a swatting incident has gone down. Places with pockets of content creators like Austin Texas have become very aware of these types of things. If you are a content creator, or someone who might be at risk for swatting you can call your local PD and explain the situation. You can let them know that you understand they must respond to those types of calls, but just wanted to call in and let them know it could happen. Most are happy to hear from you and take note. Before swattings became popular, people used to send pizzas (popularized by old 4chan) and you would have to call all the pizza places in your area and get your address blacklisted. That was a pain.

dmonitor 2y ago
Ye olde 4chan's reputation for being an evil website is funny in retrospect. The mortality rate on phony pizza deliveries is pretty close to zero and harmless compared to what goes down on the internet these days.
buffington 2y ago
I'd recommend that if you receive threats of a swatting, whether you're a content creator or not, it's a good idea to talk to your local police department about it the moment it happens. Unfortunately, I speak from experience. I received a credible threat, called my local PD, and they began to investigate immediately. They also put notes in their dispatch system (which is shared by the local SWAT team) indicating that this had happened before, and to proceed with extreme caution. The "swatter" never did follow through on the first attempt, but did follow through about 6 months later. I didn't get any threats from the swatter that time, but did get a call from my local PD while I was at work, and they let me know they'd driven by my place and called it off after being confident it was a false alarm. Anticipating questions: no, there's no sort of protocol I setup with the PD. They have to investigate every threat, and even if we setup some sort of "shared secret" ahead of time, if a swatter says I'm cutting up my family in the basement, the PD can't know with certainty that I'm not. About the best I can do is make sure to answer the door when/if the PD shows up so they can more quickly establish things are safe. Also: the attackers were after some OG Twitter accounts I used to use, and they thought they could intimidate me into giving the accounts to them.

shermantanktop 2y ago

It’s a nice museum!

ICameToComment 2y ago

Nevertheless European, especially German police, is obviously also prone to go all in without establishing any kind of context. One email is sufficient. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41550043 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41550043