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Mobile Safari is the new IE. Random idiosyncrasies that are poorly documented dictated by the whims of a single corporation. Apple has broken stuff multiple tim

Mobile Safari is the new IE. Random idiosyncrasies that are poorly documented dictated by the whims of a single corporation. Apple has broken stuff multiple times in the past few years.

wannacboatmovie 2y ago
Then it would be quite different from IE. Microsoft was so averse to breaking backwards compatibility, that IE stopped innovating and stagnated.
- curtis3389 2y ago
  I was thinking more of every web app needing one or more "if isIE() {} else {}" blocks somewhere in its codebase. Now we have the wondrous pleasure of doing the same for Apple.
  - perardi 2y ago
    There are so many little bits of…weird in Safari. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/WebKit_Extensions https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/WebKit_Exte... Just this morning, I had to go down the WebKit pseudo-element rabbit hole to fix a layout bug in a very standard date-of-birth field.
- bawolff 2y ago
  I don't think that is true. They stopped developing it full stop. Keeping back compat was not the issue.
  - leptons 2y ago
    Microsoft stopped developing IE when the government sued them for simply including IE with Windows, the same thing Apple does with Safari. But Apple is far more abusive and forbids any other browser engine on iOS, all browsers on iOS are forced to use Safari under the hood.
    - dragonwriter 2y ago
      > Microsoft stopped developing IE when the government sued them for simply including IE with Windows They weren't sued for simply including IE with Windows (bundling IE and business arrangements to prevent OEMs from replacing was one of several means of leveraging the Windows desktop OS monopoly to monopolize other markets in the antitrust suit), and they didn't stop developing IE when that suit was initiated. > But Apple is far more abusive and forbids any other browser engine on iOS Bundling wasn't the offense, illegally leveraging the desktop OS monopoly to monopolize other markets was the offense. Bundling was part of the means but the means itself want illegal, the ends to which the means were employed were.
      - leptons 2y ago
        > "The central issue was whether Microsoft was allowed to bundle its IE web browser software with its Windows operating system." > "the DOJ built upon the allegation that Microsoft forced computer makers to include its Internet browser as a part of the installation of Windows software." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor.... It's the same exact situation with MacOS/iOS and Safari, but it's actually far worse with Apple and iOS Safari because people have no choice to install another web browser on iOS, all web browsers on iOS are Safari. Now, finally, the DOJ is rightly going after Apple for doing this, and many, many other abusive business practices.
fooker 2y ago
Apple doesn't have an incentive to make mobile web better. If they do, many apps would just be websites outside their walled garden.

Mobile Safari is the new IE. Random idiosyncrasies that are poorly documented dictated by the whims of a single corporation. Apple has broken stuff multiple times in the past few years.

wannacboatmovie 2y ago

Then it would be quite different from IE. Microsoft was so averse to breaking backwards compatibility, that IE stopped innovating and stagnated.

curtis3389 2y ago
I was thinking more of every web app needing one or more "if isIE() {} else {}" blocks somewhere in its codebase. Now we have the wondrous pleasure of doing the same for Apple.
- perardi 2y ago
  There are so many little bits of…weird in Safari. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/WebKit_Extensions https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/WebKit_Exte... Just this morning, I had to go down the WebKit pseudo-element rabbit hole to fix a layout bug in a very standard date-of-birth field.
bawolff 2y ago
I don't think that is true. They stopped developing it full stop. Keeping back compat was not the issue.
- leptons 2y ago
  Microsoft stopped developing IE when the government sued them for simply including IE with Windows, the same thing Apple does with Safari. But Apple is far more abusive and forbids any other browser engine on iOS, all browsers on iOS are forced to use Safari under the hood.
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    > Microsoft stopped developing IE when the government sued them for simply including IE with Windows They weren't sued for simply including IE with Windows (bundling IE and business arrangements to prevent OEMs from replacing was one of several means of leveraging the Windows desktop OS monopoly to monopolize other markets in the antitrust suit), and they didn't stop developing IE when that suit was initiated. > But Apple is far more abusive and forbids any other browser engine on iOS Bundling wasn't the offense, illegally leveraging the desktop OS monopoly to monopolize other markets was the offense. Bundling was part of the means but the means itself want illegal, the ends to which the means were employed were.
    - leptons 2y ago
      > "The central issue was whether Microsoft was allowed to bundle its IE web browser software with its Windows operating system." > "the DOJ built upon the allegation that Microsoft forced computer makers to include its Internet browser as a part of the installation of Windows software." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor.... It's the same exact situation with MacOS/iOS and Safari, but it's actually far worse with Apple and iOS Safari because people have no choice to install another web browser on iOS, all web browsers on iOS are Safari. Now, finally, the DOJ is rightly going after Apple for doing this, and many, many other abusive business practices.

fooker 2y ago

Apple doesn't have an incentive to make mobile web better. If they do, many apps would just be websites outside their walled garden.