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More like once every 3-6 months, so a total non-issue except for the social media. Ergo isn't great but the multitouch gestures are dope though.

by tgma 2y ago

lxgr 2y ago
> the multitouch gestures are dope though Agreed – in the sense that you'll need strong analgesics when consistently using them.
atoav 2y ago
The thing is, a company that likes to sell itself as having stellar product design should be held to a standard of criticism for stellar product design. And contrary to popular opinion good design is both usable and looks good, many just skip to the looks good part and call it a day. When do users notice their mouse is empty? When they want to use it. Charging preventing use in thst case is just bad design.
- robenkleene 2y ago
  You get notifications to charge the mouse before the charge runs out.
  - atoav 2y ago
    Cool, still sucks that you have to stop working to charge it.
  - Yizahi 2y ago
    But when does this happen? In the middle of work, which you can't drop for a few hours to charge mouse. And you probably wouldn't want to switch to touchpad if you bought mouse in the first place. So user suspends notification and intends to charge mouse at the end of the day, and then forgets about it. The only reason for this port placement is a marketing and anti-consumer one - to prevent people using mouse permanently plugged in.
    - tgma 2y ago
      >The only reason for this port placement is a marketing and anti-consumer one - to prevent people using mouse permanently plugged in. I think you are reading way too much into this. That is likely not the reason. The previous iteration of the Magic Mouse, which is actually quite old and created in the Steve Jobs era, was basically identical to the current one, but took AA batteries and had a door in the same spot underneath the mouse. When they decided to make the thing rechargeable, that was likely the easiest/least costly/most obvious spot to put the new battery and charging apparatus without changing any other parts of the mouse. You can bet accessories division is not the most resourced/staffed part of hardware engineering at Apple, so they would have to make do with whatever they are given. The calculus must have been "is this going to cause an issue for the user?" and as the charging is not frequent they decided to go with it. I am fairly confident their product has decent/good customer satisfaction rating, as is, and they have not received many complaints from the real user in this long time, just loud people in the news/social media. If not, it likely would have been fixed by now.
      - atoav 2y ago
        As a former student of product design I can assure you that someone in that meeting sold a "they cannot leave it plugged in" as an advantage. Granted, maybe it wasn't the only advantage, e.g. lower production costs, easier to reach the target IP rating or something, but it definitly was discussed about. It would be even wilder if it wasn't, since this is a decision that is so different from what the rest of the market is doing. That would suggest a significant level of neglect in their product planning department. But on the other hand if any comapny could get away with such neglect it would be them. The curious thing is that Apple has such a reputation for good design that people will defend things they would laugh out of the room if e.g. Microsoft did the exact same thing with a slightly less sleek styling. When they defend the following sentence you know they have become the ultimate consumer: You're holding it wrong.
gtsop 2y ago
You realise this is extremely dependent on the individual's use right? I was provided such a mouse at my workplace and had to charge it every month. The first time i forgot to charge it overnight i cursed myself. The second time, I demanded another mouse.
NBJack 2y ago
That's not what Apple officially states: https://support.apple.com/en-us/111885#:~:text=The%20rechargeable%20battery%20will%20power,C%20port%20on%20your%20Mac https://support.apple.com/en-us/111885#:~:text=The%20recharg.... Ergonomics become more important as you age. I'm afraid all the multitouch gestures in the world won't fix RSI, especially not a Type 2 like Carpal Tunnel. Can't speak for you, but using my computer comfortably is a critical part of my job.
fragmede 2y ago
To make it even less of an issue, I'm sure Tim Cook enough money to just buy two of them and keep the other one charging at all times. What I don't know, is if Tim Cook is one of those people that needs to have things plugged in all the time even if they don't need to. The psychological aspect that's not discussed about the mouse port on the bottom is that some people get anxious about a battery running down. So even if it's a once a month, and just do it when it tells you to and take a 15 minute break, the problem with the port on the bottom is that there's a battery that will eventually run out and psychologically, not being able to charge it while using it just feels wrong, no matter how much that's not a real problem. It's an emotion and marketing is all about playing on people's emotions. BMW doesn't sell a car with a V10 that makes 577 horsepower, they sell the ultimate driving machine. Apple knows this better than most consumer products companies so it's just weird for them to stick to their butterfly keyboards, er, guns like that.
- robenkleene 2y ago
  I'm not sure I'm following, you're saying Apple should cater their Bluetooth wireless mouse to people who are too anxious about batteries to use it wirelessly?
- tgma 2y ago
  Sounds like they need therapy for anxiety, not a different mouse.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    Sure, but Apple doesn't sell that, they sell mice.

More like once every 3-6 months, so a total non-issue except for the social media. Ergo isn't great but the multitouch gestures are dope though.

by tgma 2y ago

More like once every 3-6 months, so a total non-issue except for the social media. Ergo isn't great but the multitouch gestures are dope though.

lxgr 2y ago

> the multitouch gestures are dope though Agreed – in the sense that you'll need strong analgesics when consistently using them.

atoav 2y ago

The thing is, a company that likes to sell itself as having stellar product design should be held to a standard of criticism for stellar product design. And contrary to popular opinion good design is both usable and looks good, many just skip to the looks good part and call it a day. When do users notice their mouse is empty? When they want to use it. Charging preventing use in thst case is just bad design.

robenkleene 2y ago
You get notifications to charge the mouse before the charge runs out.
- atoav 2y ago
  Cool, still sucks that you have to stop working to charge it.
- Yizahi 2y ago
  But when does this happen? In the middle of work, which you can't drop for a few hours to charge mouse. And you probably wouldn't want to switch to touchpad if you bought mouse in the first place. So user suspends notification and intends to charge mouse at the end of the day, and then forgets about it. The only reason for this port placement is a marketing and anti-consumer one - to prevent people using mouse permanently plugged in.
  - tgma 2y ago
    >The only reason for this port placement is a marketing and anti-consumer one - to prevent people using mouse permanently plugged in. I think you are reading way too much into this. That is likely not the reason. The previous iteration of the Magic Mouse, which is actually quite old and created in the Steve Jobs era, was basically identical to the current one, but took AA batteries and had a door in the same spot underneath the mouse. When they decided to make the thing rechargeable, that was likely the easiest/least costly/most obvious spot to put the new battery and charging apparatus without changing any other parts of the mouse. You can bet accessories division is not the most resourced/staffed part of hardware engineering at Apple, so they would have to make do with whatever they are given. The calculus must have been "is this going to cause an issue for the user?" and as the charging is not frequent they decided to go with it. I am fairly confident their product has decent/good customer satisfaction rating, as is, and they have not received many complaints from the real user in this long time, just loud people in the news/social media. If not, it likely would have been fixed by now.
    - atoav 2y ago
      As a former student of product design I can assure you that someone in that meeting sold a "they cannot leave it plugged in" as an advantage. Granted, maybe it wasn't the only advantage, e.g. lower production costs, easier to reach the target IP rating or something, but it definitly was discussed about. It would be even wilder if it wasn't, since this is a decision that is so different from what the rest of the market is doing. That would suggest a significant level of neglect in their product planning department. But on the other hand if any comapny could get away with such neglect it would be them. The curious thing is that Apple has such a reputation for good design that people will defend things they would laugh out of the room if e.g. Microsoft did the exact same thing with a slightly less sleek styling. When they defend the following sentence you know they have become the ultimate consumer: You're holding it wrong.

gtsop 2y ago

You realise this is extremely dependent on the individual's use right? I was provided such a mouse at my workplace and had to charge it every month. The first time i forgot to charge it overnight i cursed myself. The second time, I demanded another mouse.

NBJack 2y ago

That's not what Apple officially states: https://support.apple.com/en-us/111885#:~:text=The%20rechargeable%20battery%20will%20power,C%20port%20on%20your%20Mac https://support.apple.com/en-us/111885#:~:text=The%20recharg.... Ergonomics become more important as you age. I'm afraid all the multitouch gestures in the world won't fix RSI, especially not a Type 2 like Carpal Tunnel. Can't speak for you, but using my computer comfortably is a critical part of my job.

fragmede 2y ago

To make it even less of an issue, I'm sure Tim Cook enough money to just buy two of them and keep the other one charging at all times. What I don't know, is if Tim Cook is one of those people that needs to have things plugged in all the time even if they don't need to. The psychological aspect that's not discussed about the mouse port on the bottom is that some people get anxious about a battery running down. So even if it's a once a month, and just do it when it tells you to and take a 15 minute break, the problem with the port on the bottom is that there's a battery that will eventually run out and psychologically, not being able to charge it while using it just feels wrong, no matter how much that's not a real problem. It's an emotion and marketing is all about playing on people's emotions. BMW doesn't sell a car with a V10 that makes 577 horsepower, they sell the ultimate driving machine. Apple knows this better than most consumer products companies so it's just weird for them to stick to their butterfly keyboards, er, guns like that.

robenkleene 2y ago
I'm not sure I'm following, you're saying Apple should cater their Bluetooth wireless mouse to people who are too anxious about batteries to use it wirelessly?
tgma 2y ago
Sounds like they need therapy for anxiety, not a different mouse.
- fragmede 2y ago
  Sure, but Apple doesn't sell that, they sell mice.