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Nothing you just said refutes the current colonial status of the Israeli state and their active defense of internationally abhorred occupations. My intention is
by talldayo 2y ago
Nothing you just said refutes the current colonial status of the Israeli state and their active defense of internationally abhorred occupations. My intention isn't to defame anyone with emotional candor, but rather to shine a light on the intractable fact that the Golan Heights are an illegally occupied colony, defended by Israeli conscripts and shielded from controversy with the threat of American soft-power.
You asked how exactly Israel is a colony, and I provided a complete and internationally agreed-upon accounting of why that is considered the case. If you feel justified in killing people that intrude upon Israel without the intention of living there peacefully, then you know precisely how the natives felt when they were targeted and attacked by national defense forces at a time when Israel hardly existed.
It's by no fault of today's Israelis that they live in such a terrible place. However, it is their decision to deny their sins (the occupations) and the world will judge them in accordance with those choices. Israel can still redeem itself by rejecting the nationalist notion of perpetually occupying territory they do not legally possess. It is a necessary precondition to meaningful liberal development of the Levant - the status quo is a nightmare scenario.
- wslh 2y agoIt takes two to tango: a two state solution was always supported by Israelis and Jewish people around the world.
- talldayo 2y agoI don't disagree. But two wrongs don't add up to one right, so nobody is really looking at the current situation as a net-positive. Israel is a colonial state that currently has a long way to go in renouncing the territory they do not rightfully own. It's the majority opinion, not an extremist or misconstrued take. Nobody ever had to "develop the idea" because it has been said by every single country that is not Israel or the United States.
- wslh 2y agoIsrael is not a member of the ICC, am I right?
- talldayo 2y agoWell, let it never be said that I didn't attempt to explain it in good faith.
- wslh 2y agoI appreciate that.
- runarberg 2y agoIsrael is a member of the UN and the ICJ, the UN has several resolutions ordering Israel to stop their colonial conduct, and the ICJ has a couple of rulings ordering the same. Most relevant here is Israel’s participation of the fourth Geneva convention which forbids moving civilian populations to and from occupied areas, this makes all Israeli settlements in the West Bank and the Golan Heights (and probably also East Jerusalem) illegal. The ICC does not need to rule on this as the criminal conduct here is government policy, and Israel needs to stop it.
- wslh 2y agoDo you know what other countries are not respecting UN resolutions? So, Israel is part of many countries not accepting UN resolutions, and instead of saying "Israel needs to stop it" you should mention every country that is not respecting UN resolutions and acting similarly.
- talldayo 2y agoNobody here is trying to appeal to higher authority, really. The UN is relevant insofar as it represents the concerns of the rest of the world, and the decorum they consider acceptable for international conduct. You don't have to defend Israel's digressions here, but it certainly would help make your argument more accessible. Defending everything Israel and the IDF has done is not something even the most die-hard Zionist apologists will do. Israel has a responsibility to end their colonial ambitions regardless of how other nations feel about it. If they do not rise above the conditions of unjust political persecution that necessitated the creation of Israel in the first place, they are bound to succumb to it's failures as an unsustainable double standard.
- reducesuffering 2y agoSupported by some Israelis and Jewish people. Remember, their Prime Minister Rabin was assassinated by the Israeli far-right because they were fiercely against the Oslo Accord negotiations with Palestinians. Netanyahu doesn't believe in a two-state solution, because Ben-Gvir is in his cabinet, he dismissed Gallant, a two-state moderate, and just promoted two fierce one-state supporters to the next highest levels in cabinet. Israel is still on track to increase one-state annexation because there isn't a majority of Israelis who desire two-state enough to throw them out. Their new Minister of Defense, Israel Katz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Katz#Peace_and_security https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Katz#Peace_and_security The new Minister of Foreign Affairs, Gideon Sa'ar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_Sa%27ar#Likud_leadership_run https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_Sa%27ar#Likud_leadershi...