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> It’s pretty shocking how secure those early systems are I generally don't think this is true; most early immobilizer systems were DST80 or Hitag2 based and a
by bri3d 2y ago
> It’s pretty shocking how secure those early systems are
I generally don't think this is true; most early immobilizer systems were DST80 or Hitag2 based and are broken both cryptographically and practically.
The reason enthusiasts re-flash ECUs is that it's easy, permanent, and works across a whole model line of cars, compared to reverse engineering immobilizer cryptography which is difficult, transient and requires re-work for each individual car.
Even modern systems are generally broken in private; you can find "emergency start" and "all keys lost" products for most newer cars, even European ones using AES. However, they're usually much more complex to use than the fake JBL speaker in the parent article's attack - most revolve around extracting key material from a control module using a software exploit. Common approaches include leveraging a leftover development artifact of some kind which allows sensitive key material to be exfiltrated from RAM, or locating a state-confusion or memory safety exploit against a CAN message handler.
But, at the end of the day, most modern cars are attacked using simple bent-pipe range-extension/relay attacks, so there's less investment in cryptographic attacks or compromising the actual system anyway.
- _yb2s 2y agoThanks! To clarify, I had no knowledge of the actual technology used, and don't mean to indicate that it is crypographically secure or impossible to exploit. Only that people in the online car communities haven't found simple easy practical ways to bypass these systems for, e.g. when they lose their own keys. Which also, I would say means thieves aren't doing it either. Even when people do engine swaps to a new vehicle, they usually end up moving over the entire ECU, RFID antenna, and RFID tags because that's the easiest way to get the engine to run. Nobody is going to steal a 90s VW Jetta with Immo-2 when there are much easier to steal much more valuable cars everywhere. Neither shadetree mechanics, or street thugs that steal cars for drug money are spending a lot of time reading deeply into academic cryptography literature- it's only practically broken if you can either buy a $50 or less device, or follow instructions on a forum post to disable it.