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We are on the natural rise after a natural ice period. Just check long term temperature curves and stop looking short term, making it look like there has ever b

We are on the natural rise after a natural ice period. Just check long term temperature curves and stop looking short term, making it look like there has ever been the same average temperature on earth.

shadowgovt 2y ago
https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/
- blumomo 2y ago
  https://scitechdaily.com/66-million-years-of-earths-climate-history-uncovered-puts-current-changes-in-context/ https://scitechdaily.com/66-million-years-of-earths-climate-...
  - shadowgovt 2y ago
    I'm not sure if this link is intended to contradict or reinforce the image from the previous link. The text of that link indicates that the research concluded that the Earth is currently much warmer than it ought to be given known natural processes.
    - blumomo 2y ago
      The research concluded in a hypothesis, not a factual proof.
thrance 2y ago
Simply wrong. Intuitive visualization: https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/.
- blumomo 2y ago
  It’s you who’s simply wrong. You have to look before the ice period, that’s what OP refers to as long term. https://scitechdaily.com/66-million-years-of-earths-climate-history-uncovered-puts-current-changes-in-context/ https://scitechdaily.com/66-million-years-of-earths-climate-...
  - mariusor 2y ago
    And we all know how well adapted humans were for that period, right.
    - blumomo 2y ago
      That is to say what?
      - mariusor 2y ago
        That mammals were not in existence for the larger part of that very warm period. So the fact that life existed through it has little bearing on human civilization thriving through a similar one, as parent seemed to imply.
        urduntupu 2y ago
        Let's, I am not afraid of the earth getting much warmer, I see it as mostly fear mongering. If it's really getting _that_ hot that we mammals can't survive, then let that be it. There's the notorious idea of some humans that we can control everything. Let's continue keeping the earth a clean, healthy space, let's stop producing so much waste, let's clean the water, I am all in. But to believe that we are heating up the earth, I'm glad that not all agree to that nonsense.
        defrost 2y ago
        > But to believe that we are heating up the earth, I'm glad that not all agree to that nonsense. We are not heating up the earth. The sun is heating up the earth. That's occurring as we are adding 11 billion tonnes per year of additional insulation to the atmosphere. That's like throwing more blankets on the bed, trapping more heat. This is well documented. The gas properties are understood and can be demonstrated in science labs to children. The gas sources are well understood and derive from documented fossil fuel extraction and confirmed by both isotope records and now by orbiting satellites. > I'm glad that not all agree to that nonsense. Physics isn't for everone. But heat equations work regardless.
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uhtred 2y ago
The temperature increase rate since the industrial revolution doesn't look very natural and doesn't seem like a coincidence.
- blumomo 2y ago
  Natural rise https://scitechdaily.com/66-million-years-of-earths-climate-history-uncovered-puts-current-changes-in-context/ https://scitechdaily.com/66-million-years-of-earths-climate-...
  - cromulent 2y ago
    The article you posted says: "Now that we have succeeded in capturing the natural climate variability, we can see that the projected anthropogenic warming will be much greater than that.” That does not seem to support your claim of "natural rise".
    - blumomo 2y ago
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  - euvin 2y ago
    "A continuous record of the past 66 million years shows natural climate variability due to changes in Earth’s orbit around the sun is much smaller than projected future warming due to greenhouse gas emissions." “Now that we have succeeded in capturing the natural climate variability, we can see that the projected anthropogenic warming will be much greater than that.” "For the past 3 million years, Earth’s climate has been in an Icehouse state characterized by alternating glacial and interglacial periods. Modern humans evolved during this time, but greenhouse gas emissions and other human activities are now driving the planet toward the Warmhouse and Hothouse climate states not seen since the Eocene epoch, which ended about 34 million years ago." Please read the article you're linking. Unless this is an awkwardly executed joke that I'm missing?
    - blumomo 2y ago

shadowgovt 2y ago

https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/

blumomo 2y ago
https://scitechdaily.com/66-million-years-of-earths-climate-history-uncovered-puts-current-changes-in-context/ https://scitechdaily.com/66-million-years-of-earths-climate-...
- shadowgovt 2y ago
  I'm not sure if this link is intended to contradict or reinforce the image from the previous link. The text of that link indicates that the research concluded that the Earth is currently much warmer than it ought to be given known natural processes.
  - blumomo 2y ago
    The research concluded in a hypothesis, not a factual proof.

thrance 2y ago

Simply wrong. Intuitive visualization: https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/.

blumomo 2y ago
It’s you who’s simply wrong. You have to look before the ice period, that’s what OP refers to as long term. https://scitechdaily.com/66-million-years-of-earths-climate-history-uncovered-puts-current-changes-in-context/ https://scitechdaily.com/66-million-years-of-earths-climate-...
- mariusor 2y ago
  And we all know how well adapted humans were for that period, right.
  - blumomo 2y ago
    That is to say what?
    - mariusor 2y ago
      That mammals were not in existence for the larger part of that very warm period. So the fact that life existed through it has little bearing on human civilization thriving through a similar one, as parent seemed to imply.
      - urduntupu 2y ago
        Let's, I am not afraid of the earth getting much warmer, I see it as mostly fear mongering. If it's really getting _that_ hot that we mammals can't survive, then let that be it. There's the notorious idea of some humans that we can control everything. Let's continue keeping the earth a clean, healthy space, let's stop producing so much waste, let's clean the water, I am all in. But to believe that we are heating up the earth, I'm glad that not all agree to that nonsense.
        defrost 2y ago
        > But to believe that we are heating up the earth, I'm glad that not all agree to that nonsense. We are not heating up the earth. The sun is heating up the earth. That's occurring as we are adding 11 billion tonnes per year of additional insulation to the atmosphere. That's like throwing more blankets on the bed, trapping more heat. This is well documented. The gas properties are understood and can be demonstrated in science labs to children. The gas sources are well understood and derive from documented fossil fuel extraction and confirmed by both isotope records and now by orbiting satellites. > I'm glad that not all agree to that nonsense. Physics isn't for everone. But heat equations work regardless.
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uhtred 2y ago

The temperature increase rate since the industrial revolution doesn't look very natural and doesn't seem like a coincidence.

blumomo 2y ago
Natural rise https://scitechdaily.com/66-million-years-of-earths-climate-history-uncovered-puts-current-changes-in-context/ https://scitechdaily.com/66-million-years-of-earths-climate-...
- cromulent 2y ago
  The article you posted says: "Now that we have succeeded in capturing the natural climate variability, we can see that the projected anthropogenic warming will be much greater than that.” That does not seem to support your claim of "natural rise".
  - blumomo 2y ago
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- euvin 2y ago
  "A continuous record of the past 66 million years shows natural climate variability due to changes in Earth’s orbit around the sun is much smaller than projected future warming due to greenhouse gas emissions." “Now that we have succeeded in capturing the natural climate variability, we can see that the projected anthropogenic warming will be much greater than that.” "For the past 3 million years, Earth’s climate has been in an Icehouse state characterized by alternating glacial and interglacial periods. Modern humans evolved during this time, but greenhouse gas emissions and other human activities are now driving the planet toward the Warmhouse and Hothouse climate states not seen since the Eocene epoch, which ended about 34 million years ago." Please read the article you're linking. Unless this is an awkwardly executed joke that I'm missing?
  - blumomo 2y ago