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they need to capture as much Russian soil as they can, and when the orange man and the other clown tell them to freeze the border, Ukraine can say sure, if you

by exe34 2y ago

they need to capture as much Russian soil as they can, and when the orange man and the other clown tell them to freeze the border, Ukraine can say sure, if you insist!

stoneman24 2y ago
Not sure how much additional real estate they can capture due to limited resources (especially manpower). But this gives them a better chance of holding what they have and destroying the Russian logistics and infrastructure. Hopefully the European powers and the UK will lift any restrictions that they have imposed and provide additional supplies.
- exe34 2y ago
  whatever they're going to do, they have two months. I really hope they manage to get a reasonable deal out of this. I personally think giving up land should come with full NATO membership or at least the kind of mutual defence that the UK signed with Finland and Sweden on their way into NATO.
sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
Ukrainians loose soil everyday. I’m not sure what happens in your reality though.
- exe34 2y ago
  in my reality, they captured a small piece of Kursk - how did it go in yours?
  - sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
    They did capture ~2% of the Kursk region and lost much more in Donbass. They keep loosing everyday.
    - exe34 2y ago
      That's right, and imagine Putin giving up land - it's not going to happen. If Ukraine wants any of their own land back, they have to hold on to the Russian land. Personally I think for the sake of survival they should consider giving up on the land they've lost but join NATO and have our nukes stationed there for their protection from further attacks.
      - sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
        Do you really hope that Russia will "exchange" tens of thousands of km2 to hundreds of km2?
        exe34 2y ago
        no, I know that Putin will not give up any land - he's too proud for that.
      - rcxdude 2y ago
        From what I understand, that is actually a reasonably strong prevailing opinion in Ukraine. They're not keen on relinquishing their claim on any part of their land, but they would consider leaving it under Russian control in a peace deal, and what's not at all optional is some form of security guarantee that meaningfully deters Russia from trying again (but than NATO hasn't actually offered, and it seems like they think they can leave that question until after peace has happened, which conflicts with Ukraine's view that it's a 100% prerequisite for peace).
ein0p 2y ago
You really think people who are dragged to the trenches by press gangs [1] will "capture soil"? The video is by RFERL, BTW, as Western as it gets. Not "FSB propaganda". [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnw2Abqmu64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnw2Abqmu64
- exe34 2y ago
  they've already liberated a part Kursk from the Grand Duchy of Moscow.
  - ein0p 2y ago
    You need to check the updated maps. And that was SOF folks, who are all dead now.
    - exe34 2y ago
      They're still holding on to some Kursk.
- ganeshkrishnan 2y ago
  You are peeing against the wind by talking logic here. I witnessed the same rabid propaganda by Americans for Iraq war and same rabid propaganda for Syrian war, for Libyan war, for Afghanistan... They don't care. It's not their lives or their family or their land
  - exe34 2y ago
    The Ukrainians want their land and their people back. As long as they're willing to fight, I'll support them. The day they decide to give up and let the genocidal Russians sweep across their country, it'll be their decision.
    - ganeshkrishnan 2y ago
      Genocidal Russians? Russia hosts the largest Ukrainian refugee population.

by exe34 2y ago

they need to capture as much Russian soil as they can, and when the orange man and the other clown tell them to freeze the border, Ukraine can say sure, if you insist!

stoneman24 2y ago

Not sure how much additional real estate they can capture due to limited resources (especially manpower). But this gives them a better chance of holding what they have and destroying the Russian logistics and infrastructure. Hopefully the European powers and the UK will lift any restrictions that they have imposed and provide additional supplies.

exe34 2y ago
whatever they're going to do, they have two months. I really hope they manage to get a reasonable deal out of this. I personally think giving up land should come with full NATO membership or at least the kind of mutual defence that the UK signed with Finland and Sweden on their way into NATO.

sedan_baklazhan 2y ago

Ukrainians loose soil everyday. I’m not sure what happens in your reality though.

exe34 2y ago
in my reality, they captured a small piece of Kursk - how did it go in yours?
- sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
  They did capture ~2% of the Kursk region and lost much more in Donbass. They keep loosing everyday.
  - exe34 2y ago
    That's right, and imagine Putin giving up land - it's not going to happen. If Ukraine wants any of their own land back, they have to hold on to the Russian land. Personally I think for the sake of survival they should consider giving up on the land they've lost but join NATO and have our nukes stationed there for their protection from further attacks.
    - sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
      Do you really hope that Russia will "exchange" tens of thousands of km2 to hundreds of km2?
      - exe34 2y ago
        no, I know that Putin will not give up any land - he's too proud for that.
    - rcxdude 2y ago
      From what I understand, that is actually a reasonably strong prevailing opinion in Ukraine. They're not keen on relinquishing their claim on any part of their land, but they would consider leaving it under Russian control in a peace deal, and what's not at all optional is some form of security guarantee that meaningfully deters Russia from trying again (but than NATO hasn't actually offered, and it seems like they think they can leave that question until after peace has happened, which conflicts with Ukraine's view that it's a 100% prerequisite for peace).

ein0p 2y ago

You really think people who are dragged to the trenches by press gangs [1] will "capture soil"? The video is by RFERL, BTW, as Western as it gets. Not "FSB propaganda". [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnw2Abqmu64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnw2Abqmu64

exe34 2y ago
they've already liberated a part Kursk from the Grand Duchy of Moscow.
- ein0p 2y ago
  You need to check the updated maps. And that was SOF folks, who are all dead now.
  - exe34 2y ago
    They're still holding on to some Kursk.
ganeshkrishnan 2y ago
You are peeing against the wind by talking logic here. I witnessed the same rabid propaganda by Americans for Iraq war and same rabid propaganda for Syrian war, for Libyan war, for Afghanistan... They don't care. It's not their lives or their family or their land
- exe34 2y ago
  The Ukrainians want their land and their people back. As long as they're willing to fight, I'll support them. The day they decide to give up and let the genocidal Russians sweep across their country, it'll be their decision.
  - ganeshkrishnan 2y ago
    Genocidal Russians? Russia hosts the largest Ukrainian refugee population.