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The feedback he receives is quite fun: https://www.nayuki.io/page/poor-feedback-from-readers https://www.nayuki.io/page/poor-feedback-from-readers

by belter 2y ago

redbell 2y ago
Oh, I see how terrible managing a personal blog might be. You have to deal with all kinds of people. Fortunately, he also shares good/decent feedback: https://www.nayuki.io/page/decent-feedback-from-readers https://www.nayuki.io/page/decent-feedback-from-readers
seabass-labrax 2y ago
Personally, I don't enjoy reading that as much. The commentary seems a bit reminiscent of XKCD #406, and has what I read as tinges of racism. The characterization of some of these senders as lazy is simply not true: I once engaged with a student who wrote like some of those examples and was trying to contribute to a FOSS project I ran; he turned out to be an excellent contributor who nobody could reasonably say was lacking in either skill or effort. It is usually just a combination of shyness and excessive respect that produces these 'lazy' requests. And, frankly, using words like 'ur' and 'thx' are how some 100% native speakers of English write. (The ever-relevant XKCD strikes again, #1414 this time.) I consider myself to be extremely lucky that my native language happens to be the lingua franca of the computer industry if not the world, and even luckier that I don't have any impediment such as dyslexia that would hinder me capitalizing on that good fortune to the full. And finally, yes, most of what one receives online is spam. Lots of spam, in fact, but when someone makes as least as much effort to contact me individually I try to make at least that much effort in return.
jacomoRodriguez 2y ago
Sorry, Sounds more like the blog author is kind of a douche: "No, your not allowed to use my code from a GitHub repo for your university projekt chat bot: your coding standards are not up to mine. And btw. Your English sucks"
meiraleal 2y ago
Making fun of poor english is always a sign of stupidity (smart people can be idiots).
ipdashc 2y ago
Man, I understand that it can be annoying to get spammy messages, but a few of these are really kind of lame on the blogger's part. The sales mail, advertisement requests, and "want to sell your website" offers, sure, whatever, post and slander 'em. But a chunk of these are just genuine, polite requests for help, even if some (but not all) are sloppy or have bad grammar. There's a few that are asking for an interview or sound like they just want to be friends. There's no obligation to reply, of course, but to post them online just to mock them? That's really kind of sad, and I'm surprised the author is fine with doing it / thinks it casts them in a good light? Put all together, this is one of the most pretentious pages I've ever seen on the Internet. And then there's "that shameless country", "that needy country", "that unspeakable country", as others have pointed out. ... really? Yeah, we've all gotten spammy emails from Indian senders, joking about it is one thing, but that's just gross.
saagarjha 2y ago
Generally, when you get a message from someone that you don’t like, it helps if your complaint does not include casual racism and a critique of the author’s English proficiency.
prab97 2y ago
<rant> The commentary mocking people for their poor English, followed by disparaging remarks about an entire country as if the email senders represent a typical sample from that nation, says more about the blog owner than about the email senders themselves. The blog owner exudes elitist vibes in the commentary. A quick skim of the blog reveals a request for Bitcoin donations, suggesting $3 as the amount, without considering that a large portion of this donation will be eaten up by fees. </rant>
- nindalf 2y ago
  Dude really doesn’t like Indians huh. I can see why these racists come to the conclusion that all Indians speak a certain way. If they see something written with a few quirks common to Indian English they confirm their bias that all Indians speak and write that way. If they see text without that tell, their bias is still confirmed because they conclude this person must have grown up elsewhere. For the racists at the back - language diverges over time. That’s perfectly normal. As the reader/listener it’s easier for us to make the effort to understand than it is for someone to change how they speak. If you’re ok with making an effort to understand unusual words and phrases used by Australian, Scottish, Irish, Kiwi people but you won’t do the same for Indian people, reflect on why you do that. People from NZ change most “e” sounds to “i”, so they’d eat pincakes for breakfast for example. I find that quirk endearing. Or Australians using words like ute, jaffle etc. But somehow only white English speakers are given the benefit of the doubt when they do this? Why can’t Indians get the same thing when they’re speaking their second language?
  - InsideOutSanta 2y ago
    "it’s easier for us to make the effort to understand than it is for someone to change how they speak" Not just change how they speak, but learn entirely new concepts that do not exist in their language, and that they have no intuition for. I'm currently teaching German to somebody whose native language has no tenses, no cases, mostly no plurals, essentially no genders, different phonemes, and is written in a different script. Having to not just learn these concepts, but be familiar enough with them to form an intuitive understanding and use them correctly in most instances, at a near-native level, is something that takes a decade or more for an adult. To be dismissive of somebody who makes that effort is pathetic.
agnishom 2y ago
I understand it is annoying to receive spam, and Nayuki is under no obligation to help strangers with their code. However, how about a little empathy for the students whose cultural and education system have not taught them any better? In some cases, Nayuki is not even happy with people pointing out legit errors in their blog. For example, > I want to use the parameters [...] and > > invNTT(NTT(invec)) !=invec ?
nindalf 2y ago
Fun for racists, sure.
- bilekas 2y ago
  In what sense?? Edit: Okay I didn't read the commentary of the author. It's an unnecessary complaint for sure.

The feedback he receives is quite fun: https://www.nayuki.io/page/poor-feedback-from-readers https://www.nayuki.io/page/poor-feedback-from-readers

by belter 2y ago

The feedback he receives is quite fun: https://www.nayuki.io/page/poor-feedback-from-readers https://www.nayuki.io/page/poor-feedback-from-readers

redbell 2y ago

Oh, I see how terrible managing a personal blog might be. You have to deal with all kinds of people. Fortunately, he also shares good/decent feedback: https://www.nayuki.io/page/decent-feedback-from-readers https://www.nayuki.io/page/decent-feedback-from-readers

seabass-labrax 2y ago

Personally, I don't enjoy reading that as much. The commentary seems a bit reminiscent of XKCD #406, and has what I read as tinges of racism. The characterization of some of these senders as lazy is simply not true: I once engaged with a student who wrote like some of those examples and was trying to contribute to a FOSS project I ran; he turned out to be an excellent contributor who nobody could reasonably say was lacking in either skill or effort. It is usually just a combination of shyness and excessive respect that produces these 'lazy' requests. And, frankly, using words like 'ur' and 'thx' are how some 100% native speakers of English write. (The ever-relevant XKCD strikes again, #1414 this time.) I consider myself to be extremely lucky that my native language happens to be the lingua franca of the computer industry if not the world, and even luckier that I don't have any impediment such as dyslexia that would hinder me capitalizing on that good fortune to the full. And finally, yes, most of what one receives online is spam. Lots of spam, in fact, but when someone makes as least as much effort to contact me individually I try to make at least that much effort in return.

jacomoRodriguez 2y ago

Sorry, Sounds more like the blog author is kind of a douche: "No, your not allowed to use my code from a GitHub repo for your university projekt chat bot: your coding standards are not up to mine. And btw. Your English sucks"

meiraleal 2y ago

Making fun of poor english is always a sign of stupidity (smart people can be idiots).

ipdashc 2y ago

Man, I understand that it can be annoying to get spammy messages, but a few of these are really kind of lame on the blogger's part. The sales mail, advertisement requests, and "want to sell your website" offers, sure, whatever, post and slander 'em. But a chunk of these are just genuine, polite requests for help, even if some (but not all) are sloppy or have bad grammar. There's a few that are asking for an interview or sound like they just want to be friends. There's no obligation to reply, of course, but to post them online just to mock them? That's really kind of sad, and I'm surprised the author is fine with doing it / thinks it casts them in a good light? Put all together, this is one of the most pretentious pages I've ever seen on the Internet. And then there's "that shameless country", "that needy country", "that unspeakable country", as others have pointed out. ... really? Yeah, we've all gotten spammy emails from Indian senders, joking about it is one thing, but that's just gross.

saagarjha 2y ago

Generally, when you get a message from someone that you don’t like, it helps if your complaint does not include casual racism and a critique of the author’s English proficiency.

prab97 2y ago

<rant> The commentary mocking people for their poor English, followed by disparaging remarks about an entire country as if the email senders represent a typical sample from that nation, says more about the blog owner than about the email senders themselves. The blog owner exudes elitist vibes in the commentary. A quick skim of the blog reveals a request for Bitcoin donations, suggesting $3 as the amount, without considering that a large portion of this donation will be eaten up by fees. </rant>

nindalf 2y ago
Dude really doesn’t like Indians huh. I can see why these racists come to the conclusion that all Indians speak a certain way. If they see something written with a few quirks common to Indian English they confirm their bias that all Indians speak and write that way. If they see text without that tell, their bias is still confirmed because they conclude this person must have grown up elsewhere. For the racists at the back - language diverges over time. That’s perfectly normal. As the reader/listener it’s easier for us to make the effort to understand than it is for someone to change how they speak. If you’re ok with making an effort to understand unusual words and phrases used by Australian, Scottish, Irish, Kiwi people but you won’t do the same for Indian people, reflect on why you do that. People from NZ change most “e” sounds to “i”, so they’d eat pincakes for breakfast for example. I find that quirk endearing. Or Australians using words like ute, jaffle etc. But somehow only white English speakers are given the benefit of the doubt when they do this? Why can’t Indians get the same thing when they’re speaking their second language?
- InsideOutSanta 2y ago
  "it’s easier for us to make the effort to understand than it is for someone to change how they speak" Not just change how they speak, but learn entirely new concepts that do not exist in their language, and that they have no intuition for. I'm currently teaching German to somebody whose native language has no tenses, no cases, mostly no plurals, essentially no genders, different phonemes, and is written in a different script. Having to not just learn these concepts, but be familiar enough with them to form an intuitive understanding and use them correctly in most instances, at a near-native level, is something that takes a decade or more for an adult. To be dismissive of somebody who makes that effort is pathetic.

agnishom 2y ago

I understand it is annoying to receive spam, and Nayuki is under no obligation to help strangers with their code. However, how about a little empathy for the students whose cultural and education system have not taught them any better? In some cases, Nayuki is not even happy with people pointing out legit errors in their blog. For example, > I want to use the parameters [...] and > > invNTT(NTT(invec)) !=invec ?

nindalf 2y ago

Fun for racists, sure.

bilekas 2y ago
In what sense?? Edit: Okay I didn't read the commentary of the author. It's an unnecessary complaint for sure.