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China is a country of over 1 billion people. It has advanced and surpassed many Western countries in the span of just 40 years. Trying to put a leash on them wi

by cedws 2y ago

China is a country of over 1 billion people. It has advanced and surpassed many Western countries in the span of just 40 years. Trying to put a leash on them with sanctions is futile, hostile, and will only increase their determination. We should be trying to find common ground and working with them instead of fabricating another boogeyman for no reason.

HideousKojima 2y ago
>We should be trying to find common ground and working with them Why should we, after what they did to the rights and freedoms of the people of Hong Kong?
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GeoAtreides 2y ago
+500 social credits Indeed, why not find common ground with a totalitarian regime that conducts genocides and violently suppresses democracy and dissent take it from an old man that was born in eastern europe in another totalitarian regime, I've seen it in practice, I've seen the horrors behind closed doors: appeasement never works and only prolongs the suffering of the people.
- cedws 2y ago
  I hate to make a whataboutism argument, but the US is no angel either.
  - b112 2y ago
    That's like saying someone having 2 beers a week, is the same as an alcoholic.
  - Sakos 2y ago
    Okay, so? Countries around China need to deal with China's aggression all the time. That isn't resolved by pointing out that the US sucks too.
- eunos 2y ago
  > appeasement never works lmaoo for everything that works they wouldn't be called appeasement, just treaty. Is Paris Peace Accords an appeasement that doesn't work? It sealed the demise of the non-communist South Vietnam, but no one cared about South Vietnam today aside of fringe Vietnamese in California.
fidotron 2y ago
I like your optimism but this ship sailed a long time ago. If you are outside the US and China it is hard not to empathize with the Chinese annoyance with the do-as-we-say-not-as-we-do “rules based order”, and deciding to play the exact game on the US that the US has played with everyone else.
Sakos 2y ago
Look at China's neighbors. I'm sure the solution to their conflicts with China is "finding common ground and working with them". Would you have told Ukraine the same thing about Russia before Russia invaded? Hell, do you say it now?
- cedws 2y ago
  No, I have always been strongly on Ukraine's side. The war began because diplomacy failed. We do not want the same to happen with Taiwan - again, we should be trying to find common ground and deescalate the situation. Sanctions are a band aid and escalate, and they only work for so long.
  - knowitnone 2y ago
    and by deescalation, you mean give China and Russia anything they want
    - cedws 2y ago
      I didn't say that, or imply that, and it would make no sense for that to be my stance given that I said I support Ukraine. At least put some thought in before you hit reply.
  - vardump 2y ago
    The war started because Putin wanted it to start. There’s no other hidden reason.
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- eunos 2y ago
  Unironically yes since China wont move geographically from its position for million of years, US can be distracted by something else somewhere and pivoted from Asia, but China wont. It stays there.

by cedws 2y ago

HideousKojima 2y ago

>We should be trying to find common ground and working with them Why should we, after what they did to the rights and freedoms of the people of Hong Kong?

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GeoAtreides 2y ago

+500 social credits Indeed, why not find common ground with a totalitarian regime that conducts genocides and violently suppresses democracy and dissent take it from an old man that was born in eastern europe in another totalitarian regime, I've seen it in practice, I've seen the horrors behind closed doors: appeasement never works and only prolongs the suffering of the people.

cedws 2y ago
I hate to make a whataboutism argument, but the US is no angel either.
- b112 2y ago
  That's like saying someone having 2 beers a week, is the same as an alcoholic.
- Sakos 2y ago
  Okay, so? Countries around China need to deal with China's aggression all the time. That isn't resolved by pointing out that the US sucks too.
eunos 2y ago
> appeasement never works lmaoo for everything that works they wouldn't be called appeasement, just treaty. Is Paris Peace Accords an appeasement that doesn't work? It sealed the demise of the non-communist South Vietnam, but no one cared about South Vietnam today aside of fringe Vietnamese in California.

fidotron 2y ago

I like your optimism but this ship sailed a long time ago. If you are outside the US and China it is hard not to empathize with the Chinese annoyance with the do-as-we-say-not-as-we-do “rules based order”, and deciding to play the exact game on the US that the US has played with everyone else.

Sakos 2y ago

Look at China's neighbors. I'm sure the solution to their conflicts with China is "finding common ground and working with them". Would you have told Ukraine the same thing about Russia before Russia invaded? Hell, do you say it now?

cedws 2y ago
No, I have always been strongly on Ukraine's side. The war began because diplomacy failed. We do not want the same to happen with Taiwan - again, we should be trying to find common ground and deescalate the situation. Sanctions are a band aid and escalate, and they only work for so long.
- knowitnone 2y ago
  and by deescalation, you mean give China and Russia anything they want
  - cedws 2y ago
    I didn't say that, or imply that, and it would make no sense for that to be my stance given that I said I support Ukraine. At least put some thought in before you hit reply.
- vardump 2y ago
  The war started because Putin wanted it to start. There’s no other hidden reason.
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eunos 2y ago
Unironically yes since China wont move geographically from its position for million of years, US can be distracted by something else somewhere and pivoted from Asia, but China wont. It stays there.