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F# :) Expression-oriented, HM type inference with gradual typing, faster than other FP languages, can even reach for low-level bits, or write extra glue code i

F# :) Expression-oriented, HM type inference with gradual typing, faster than other FP languages, can even reach for low-level bits, or write extra glue code in C# which is more pleasant at low-level imperative code. Not sure what exactly you refer to as idiomatic C#. If it has too much ceremony chances are it’s anything but!

FridgeSeal 2y ago
Yeah I’ve used F# before! It was pretty good, some solid features and nice experience. It just falls into a bit of weird place IMO? You have to rely on writing/using C# to fill any holes, and I really dislike that language/ecosystem, and why split between 2 lands when I can just get the same HM type system, similar-enough principles, better perf and no MS taint. Edit: I do love the ML style syntax though, Haskell, F#, Dhall are awesome, I wish it were more readily accepted.
- neonsunset 2y ago
  The hatred of .NET (and C#) is unfortunate, irrational and unwarranted. I ended up unfortunately resorting to just thinking less of engineers that have it, because they can’t update their priors (“it was slightly inconvenient 8 years ago so it must be bad today surely”) and distinguish between Microsoft’s other products and policies and .NET itself.
  - kstrauser 2y ago
    I believe that’s shortsighted. I’ve been adjacent to any number of Microsoft rugpulls over the years (Visual FoxPro.NET any day now, promise!). Their are enough non-MS languages that C#’s never tempted me. I don’t think it’s a bad language and don’t think poorly of you for using it, but I feel much better about the long-term prospects of Rust and wouldn’t likely build a new business on C# today.
    - neonsunset 2y ago
      It's not. It is shortsighted to blindingly hate thing X over Y instead of considering circumstances and understanding how big corporations work, or understanding the nature of the project you make use of (after all, the entirety of .NET is MIT) and just how much worse most alternatives are. There is a wealth of mainstream languages that are decently usable, which I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole as a main choice still because they carry a significant downgrade in one or another area, that .NET does not compromise on.
      - FridgeSeal 2y ago
        I’m not blindly disliking anything. I recognise C# as useful, but _personally _ dislike it because of the sprawling, OOP-heavy, ceremony-heavy core it encourages you to write. Half my dev friends write C# for their day jobs, half my workplaces have had me dealing with it. It’s not an opinion borne from unfamiliarity or knee jerk reaction; my distaste for MS is just the cherry on top.

FridgeSeal 2y ago

Yeah I’ve used F# before! It was pretty good, some solid features and nice experience. It just falls into a bit of weird place IMO? You have to rely on writing/using C# to fill any holes, and I really dislike that language/ecosystem, and why split between 2 lands when I can just get the same HM type system, similar-enough principles, better perf and no MS taint. Edit: I do love the ML style syntax though, Haskell, F#, Dhall are awesome, I wish it were more readily accepted.

neonsunset 2y ago
The hatred of .NET (and C#) is unfortunate, irrational and unwarranted. I ended up unfortunately resorting to just thinking less of engineers that have it, because they can’t update their priors (“it was slightly inconvenient 8 years ago so it must be bad today surely”) and distinguish between Microsoft’s other products and policies and .NET itself.
- kstrauser 2y ago
  I believe that’s shortsighted. I’ve been adjacent to any number of Microsoft rugpulls over the years (Visual FoxPro.NET any day now, promise!). Their are enough non-MS languages that C#’s never tempted me. I don’t think it’s a bad language and don’t think poorly of you for using it, but I feel much better about the long-term prospects of Rust and wouldn’t likely build a new business on C# today.
  - neonsunset 2y ago
    It's not. It is shortsighted to blindingly hate thing X over Y instead of considering circumstances and understanding how big corporations work, or understanding the nature of the project you make use of (after all, the entirety of .NET is MIT) and just how much worse most alternatives are. There is a wealth of mainstream languages that are decently usable, which I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole as a main choice still because they carry a significant downgrade in one or another area, that .NET does not compromise on.
    - FridgeSeal 2y ago
      I’m not blindly disliking anything. I recognise C# as useful, but _personally _ dislike it because of the sprawling, OOP-heavy, ceremony-heavy core it encourages you to write. Half my dev friends write C# for their day jobs, half my workplaces have had me dealing with it. It’s not an opinion borne from unfamiliarity or knee jerk reaction; my distaste for MS is just the cherry on top.