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I remember our biggest issue being IP addresses. We had no router, or expertise, so we were at the whims of automatic addresses (254.x... as far as I recall?).

I remember our biggest issue being IP addresses. We had no router, or expertise, so we were at the whims of automatic addresses (254.x... as far as I recall?). Good times.

hunter2_ 2y ago
Windows will self-assign from 169.254/16 in the absence of a DHCP server.
- tossandthrow 2y ago
  Also 15 years ago?
  - Symbiote 2y ago
    Yes. The idea was specified in 2005, and there's a related question about Windows using these addresses in 2011 [1]. I haven't tried to find older evidence. [1] https://superuser.com/questions/238625/why-is-windows-default-ip-address-169-xx-xx-xx https://superuser.com/questions/238625/why-is-windows-defaul...
    - amichal 2y ago
      https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3927 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3927 "Microsoft Windows 98 (and later) and Mac OS 8.5 (and later) already support this capability." And https://www.techrepublic.com/forums/discussions/win-98-fails-to-get-ip-from-dhcp/ https://www.techrepublic.com/forums/discussions/win-98-fails...
mattbee 2y ago
I've definitely been to a LAN party where IP addresses were written on clothes pegs by the entrance. You take a peg on your way in, clip it to your ethernet cable, configure that IP statically!
- dividuum 2y ago
  Aka Peg-DHCP (RFC 2322) - https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2322.txt https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2322.txt
animal531 2y ago
Oof. Back in the day friends and I would get together to LAN and the first few hours would just be fiddling with network cards, cables, terminators and software. There was always someone who would just be totally unable to connect with someone else.
albertzeyer 2y ago
I remember the first time, we bought some 10BASE2 ethernet cards and BNC connector cables, and spend hours to figure out why it does not work, only then to learn the next day that we also need cable end terminators (if I remember that correctly). But then it worked and we had lots of fun.
- Moru 2y ago
  Yes, you need terminators for them :-)
  - eps 2y ago
    ... unless you make it into a ring ... IIRC. It's been a while.
    - Moru 2y ago
      The terminator creates a ring I think, so it should be possible to just connect end to end. But then you need to have more cables running around the place. No, I realy don't miss those times :-)
WorldMaker 2y ago
I remember the parts of the 90s where the most reliable LAN party connections for the games we were playing were IPX/SPX or worse, as I recall, and they didn't really have automatic addresses at all, so trial and error configuration tweaking in DOS config files, DOS Game UIs, the Windows 3.11 UIs, and then Windows 95 UIs was way too much of the process. It is amazing to think how much IPv4 and IPv6 "just work" in comparison.
- kentonv 2y ago
  Oddly enough, my memory of IPX/SPX was that it "just worked" by default whereas when we switched to IP we started having to manually configure IP addresses and make sure no one chose the same address. That said my first LAN party was 1996 and we were running Windows 95 by that point, which probably helped.

I remember our biggest issue being IP addresses. We had no router, or expertise, so we were at the whims of automatic addresses (254.x... as far as I recall?). Good times.

hunter2_ 2y ago

Windows will self-assign from 169.254/16 in the absence of a DHCP server.

tossandthrow 2y ago
Also 15 years ago?
- Symbiote 2y ago
  Yes. The idea was specified in 2005, and there's a related question about Windows using these addresses in 2011 [1]. I haven't tried to find older evidence. [1] https://superuser.com/questions/238625/why-is-windows-default-ip-address-169-xx-xx-xx https://superuser.com/questions/238625/why-is-windows-defaul...
  - amichal 2y ago
    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3927 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3927 "Microsoft Windows 98 (and later) and Mac OS 8.5 (and later) already support this capability." And https://www.techrepublic.com/forums/discussions/win-98-fails-to-get-ip-from-dhcp/ https://www.techrepublic.com/forums/discussions/win-98-fails...

mattbee 2y ago

I've definitely been to a LAN party where IP addresses were written on clothes pegs by the entrance. You take a peg on your way in, clip it to your ethernet cable, configure that IP statically!

dividuum 2y ago
Aka Peg-DHCP (RFC 2322) - https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2322.txt https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2322.txt

animal531 2y ago

Oof. Back in the day friends and I would get together to LAN and the first few hours would just be fiddling with network cards, cables, terminators and software. There was always someone who would just be totally unable to connect with someone else.

albertzeyer 2y ago

I remember the first time, we bought some 10BASE2 ethernet cards and BNC connector cables, and spend hours to figure out why it does not work, only then to learn the next day that we also need cable end terminators (if I remember that correctly). But then it worked and we had lots of fun.

Moru 2y ago
Yes, you need terminators for them :-)
- eps 2y ago
  ... unless you make it into a ring ... IIRC. It's been a while.
  - Moru 2y ago
    The terminator creates a ring I think, so it should be possible to just connect end to end. But then you need to have more cables running around the place. No, I realy don't miss those times :-)

WorldMaker 2y ago

I remember the parts of the 90s where the most reliable LAN party connections for the games we were playing were IPX/SPX or worse, as I recall, and they didn't really have automatic addresses at all, so trial and error configuration tweaking in DOS config files, DOS Game UIs, the Windows 3.11 UIs, and then Windows 95 UIs was way too much of the process. It is amazing to think how much IPv4 and IPv6 "just work" in comparison.

kentonv 2y ago
Oddly enough, my memory of IPX/SPX was that it "just worked" by default whereas when we switched to IP we started having to manually configure IP addresses and make sure no one chose the same address. That said my first LAN party was 1996 and we were running Windows 95 by that point, which probably helped.