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All my replies have been in response to your "Blaming the banks who sold these seems totally crazy to me. " remark. I'm afraid I don't find it crazy. I think t
by corford 14y ago
All my replies have been in response to your "Blaming the banks who sold these seems totally crazy to me. " remark.
I'm afraid I don't find it crazy. I think they deserve an enormous amount of the blame (as I hope I illustrated in my earlier replies) and frankly, I find it vaguely irritating that anyone would try to defend their actions with arguments revolving around caveat emptor.
This by no means suggests I believe they are solely responsible. On this, we can both agree. As far as I'm concerned, the ratings agencies, regulators (pre-crisis at least), brokers, press and government also deserve a large amount of the blame. Irresponsible consumers don't get let off the hook either.
However, regulators (at least on the European side of the Atlantic), government in general and consumers have spent the last 5 years learning from their mistakes and are at least making efforts to correct the situation. The big banks on the other hand have continued to take the piss virtually un-fazed. I'm hoping the LIBOR scandal will now be their watergate moment.
Edit: and when I say "virtually un-fazed" that's charitable. Active denial would be a better choice of phrase. They have heavily lobbied against every single banking sector reform proposed since the crisis began. That takes some hubris. I mean christ, in London up until fairly recently the banks were effectively resorting to blackmail: "make these reforms and we'll have to quit the city and move our operations to a more 'enlightened' jurisdiction".
- intended 14y agoI think some further case history would help nail your case. Sadly I don't have it on hand but the assertion above that miss-selling isn't lying is invalid. Miss selling is just a way to put it across creatively without getting decimated in the press. Aside from that there are clear cases where the banks lied. Frankly the only thing that saves them is the inability of other intelligent people to believe that this actually happened. "no it couldn't possibly be that! People are just grinding their axes." Except every time you hear of the banks in the news they've managed to pull off yet another scam, which just got out in the open. You know the one simple thing which we should stop offering banks? The option to just pay the fine and get out of a trial. Barclays got fined - but it's not stood trial - they fessed up, and got off on good behavior. Only Goldman recently was arrogant enough to believe that they could win a case in court. Ah cases: the magnetar trade, and abacus. http://www.propublica.org/article/the-magnetar-trade-how-one-hedge-fund-helped-keep-the-housing-bubble-going http://www.propublica.org/article/the-magnetar-trade-how-one...