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“advanced human technology”. The idea that we’ve kept some advanced propulsion technology “secret” for decades seems farfetched

tastyfreeze 2y ago
Possibly. Given the era that this started it is more believable. If a small group secreted it away in the 40s it wouldn't be that difficult to keep it secret. I think that is where all the UFO reporter discrediting came in handy. Anybody that was in the know didn't share and outside reporters were painted as kooks which discouraged others from speaking up. Throw in a few "disappearances" of credible reporters and nobody wants to talk about it. Fortunately we can all talk to millions of strangers around the world in an instant now. Even the kooks can find a community to share to that might be able to coorberate their story.
- hnthrowaway0328 2y ago
  However, I find it difficult to believe that all other staffs, e.g. the retrieval teams, the scientists, can keep their mouths shut. Unless they live in a cave from birth to death.
  - 20after4 2y ago
    There have been leaks from people claiming to be part of retrieval teams. Of course anonymously and without any proof. Their stories are fun though.
bonestamp2 2y ago
What if the Navy is hiding this technology in plain sight at the patent office? https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10322827B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10322827B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190348597A1/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190348597A1/en A lot of experts think these patents are BS, but I guess there is the possibility that they're not.
- thrw42A8N 2y ago
  This is so incredibly valuable that many are trying and failing. If it was possible, there would be at least one independent researcher who puts it on YouTube. These patents are not hiding in plain sight, everybody interested in advanced propulsion knows about them and knew about the research even before the patents.
  - bonestamp2 2y ago
    Yes everybody following UAPs knows about them, but I would imagine a lot of people reading this thread are not aware of them.
    - thrw42A8N 2y ago
      But that doesn't matter. If it worked, everybody on this forum would know for many years already.
- owenversteeg 2y ago
  Ah, Salvatore Pais. Those patents, if real, would mean more than all other scientific discoveries in the last fifty years. Quoting an article about him [0]: "every physicist we have spoken to over the better part of two years asserting that the “Pais Effect” has no scientific basis in reality and the patents related to it were filled with pseudo-scientific jargon". Pais has of course offered no data, no evidence and no mechanism by which any of his so-called inventions would work. [0] https://www.twz.com/39012/the-navy-finally-speaks-up-about-its-bizarre-ufo-patent-experiments https://www.twz.com/39012/the-navy-finally-speaks-up-about-i...

tastyfreeze 2y ago

Possibly. Given the era that this started it is more believable. If a small group secreted it away in the 40s it wouldn't be that difficult to keep it secret. I think that is where all the UFO reporter discrediting came in handy. Anybody that was in the know didn't share and outside reporters were painted as kooks which discouraged others from speaking up. Throw in a few "disappearances" of credible reporters and nobody wants to talk about it. Fortunately we can all talk to millions of strangers around the world in an instant now. Even the kooks can find a community to share to that might be able to coorberate their story.

hnthrowaway0328 2y ago
However, I find it difficult to believe that all other staffs, e.g. the retrieval teams, the scientists, can keep their mouths shut. Unless they live in a cave from birth to death.
- 20after4 2y ago
  There have been leaks from people claiming to be part of retrieval teams. Of course anonymously and without any proof. Their stories are fun though.

bonestamp2 2y ago

What if the Navy is hiding this technology in plain sight at the patent office? https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10322827B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10322827B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190348597A1/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190348597A1/en A lot of experts think these patents are BS, but I guess there is the possibility that they're not.

thrw42A8N 2y ago
This is so incredibly valuable that many are trying and failing. If it was possible, there would be at least one independent researcher who puts it on YouTube. These patents are not hiding in plain sight, everybody interested in advanced propulsion knows about them and knew about the research even before the patents.
- bonestamp2 2y ago
  Yes everybody following UAPs knows about them, but I would imagine a lot of people reading this thread are not aware of them.
  - thrw42A8N 2y ago
    But that doesn't matter. If it worked, everybody on this forum would know for many years already.
owenversteeg 2y ago
Ah, Salvatore Pais. Those patents, if real, would mean more than all other scientific discoveries in the last fifty years. Quoting an article about him [0]: "every physicist we have spoken to over the better part of two years asserting that the “Pais Effect” has no scientific basis in reality and the patents related to it were filled with pseudo-scientific jargon". Pais has of course offered no data, no evidence and no mechanism by which any of his so-called inventions would work. [0] https://www.twz.com/39012/the-navy-finally-speaks-up-about-its-bizarre-ufo-patent-experiments https://www.twz.com/39012/the-navy-finally-speaks-up-about-i...