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From the hearing last week my main takeaway was that there is a program that nobody in Congress has oversight of. That alone is alarming but not entirely surpri

From the hearing last week my main takeaway was that there is a program that nobody in Congress has oversight of. That alone is alarming but not entirely surprising given the abdication of Congressional authority to Executive agencies. I want to believe that the rumors of advanced craft recovery starting in the 40s are real. But, the reality is that UAPs are likely secret advanced human technology. The one thing that irks me about that conclusion is that historically acquisition/discovery of superior technology has been used for domination by the discoverer. Nobody has done that. None of the reported UAPs have been hostile. That alone seems to go against human nature. So, I'm left with a conclusion that doesn't make sense in human behavior terms. The hearing just made me feel like "Independence Day" may have had it right. People in government know but don't tell the president for plausible deniability and non-permanence of the position.

ben_w 2y ago
> The hearing just made me feel like "Independence Day" may have had it right. People in government know but don't tell the president for plausible deniability and non-permanence of the position. I really do need to finish writing that novel inspired by all the things wrong with that film. Turns out climactic battles are much harder to write than I was expecting.
tiahura 2y ago
“advanced human technology”. The idea that we’ve kept some advanced propulsion technology “secret” for decades seems farfetched
- tastyfreeze 2y ago
  Possibly. Given the era that this started it is more believable. If a small group secreted it away in the 40s it wouldn't be that difficult to keep it secret. I think that is where all the UFO reporter discrediting came in handy. Anybody that was in the know didn't share and outside reporters were painted as kooks which discouraged others from speaking up. Throw in a few "disappearances" of credible reporters and nobody wants to talk about it. Fortunately we can all talk to millions of strangers around the world in an instant now. Even the kooks can find a community to share to that might be able to coorberate their story.
  - hnthrowaway0328 2y ago
    However, I find it difficult to believe that all other staffs, e.g. the retrieval teams, the scientists, can keep their mouths shut. Unless they live in a cave from birth to death.
    - 20after4 2y ago
      There have been leaks from people claiming to be part of retrieval teams. Of course anonymously and without any proof. Their stories are fun though.
- bonestamp2 2y ago
  What if the Navy is hiding this technology in plain sight at the patent office? https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10322827B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10322827B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190348597A1/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190348597A1/en A lot of experts think these patents are BS, but I guess there is the possibility that they're not.
  - thrw42A8N 2y ago
    This is so incredibly valuable that many are trying and failing. If it was possible, there would be at least one independent researcher who puts it on YouTube. These patents are not hiding in plain sight, everybody interested in advanced propulsion knows about them and knew about the research even before the patents.
    - bonestamp2 2y ago
      Yes everybody following UAPs knows about them, but I would imagine a lot of people reading this thread are not aware of them.
      - thrw42A8N 2y ago
        But that doesn't matter. If it worked, everybody on this forum would know for many years already.
  - owenversteeg 2y ago
    Ah, Salvatore Pais. Those patents, if real, would mean more than all other scientific discoveries in the last fifty years. Quoting an article about him [0]: "every physicist we have spoken to over the better part of two years asserting that the “Pais Effect” has no scientific basis in reality and the patents related to it were filled with pseudo-scientific jargon". Pais has of course offered no data, no evidence and no mechanism by which any of his so-called inventions would work. [0] https://www.twz.com/39012/the-navy-finally-speaks-up-about-its-bizarre-ufo-patent-experiments https://www.twz.com/39012/the-navy-finally-speaks-up-about-i...

ben_w 2y ago

> The hearing just made me feel like "Independence Day" may have had it right. People in government know but don't tell the president for plausible deniability and non-permanence of the position. I really do need to finish writing that novel inspired by all the things wrong with that film. Turns out climactic battles are much harder to write than I was expecting.

tiahura 2y ago

“advanced human technology”. The idea that we’ve kept some advanced propulsion technology “secret” for decades seems farfetched

tastyfreeze 2y ago
Possibly. Given the era that this started it is more believable. If a small group secreted it away in the 40s it wouldn't be that difficult to keep it secret. I think that is where all the UFO reporter discrediting came in handy. Anybody that was in the know didn't share and outside reporters were painted as kooks which discouraged others from speaking up. Throw in a few "disappearances" of credible reporters and nobody wants to talk about it. Fortunately we can all talk to millions of strangers around the world in an instant now. Even the kooks can find a community to share to that might be able to coorberate their story.
- hnthrowaway0328 2y ago
  However, I find it difficult to believe that all other staffs, e.g. the retrieval teams, the scientists, can keep their mouths shut. Unless they live in a cave from birth to death.
  - 20after4 2y ago
    There have been leaks from people claiming to be part of retrieval teams. Of course anonymously and without any proof. Their stories are fun though.
bonestamp2 2y ago
What if the Navy is hiding this technology in plain sight at the patent office? https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10322827B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10322827B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190348597A1/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190348597A1/en A lot of experts think these patents are BS, but I guess there is the possibility that they're not.
- thrw42A8N 2y ago
  This is so incredibly valuable that many are trying and failing. If it was possible, there would be at least one independent researcher who puts it on YouTube. These patents are not hiding in plain sight, everybody interested in advanced propulsion knows about them and knew about the research even before the patents.
  - bonestamp2 2y ago
    Yes everybody following UAPs knows about them, but I would imagine a lot of people reading this thread are not aware of them.
    - thrw42A8N 2y ago
      But that doesn't matter. If it worked, everybody on this forum would know for many years already.
- owenversteeg 2y ago
  Ah, Salvatore Pais. Those patents, if real, would mean more than all other scientific discoveries in the last fifty years. Quoting an article about him [0]: "every physicist we have spoken to over the better part of two years asserting that the “Pais Effect” has no scientific basis in reality and the patents related to it were filled with pseudo-scientific jargon". Pais has of course offered no data, no evidence and no mechanism by which any of his so-called inventions would work. [0] https://www.twz.com/39012/the-navy-finally-speaks-up-about-its-bizarre-ufo-patent-experiments https://www.twz.com/39012/the-navy-finally-speaks-up-about-i...