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> Tesla has the highest fatality rate, so that is ruled out! :) Do you have a source? Genuinely interested. From the little reading I've done Tesla seem to hav

by remus 2y ago

> Tesla has the highest fatality rate, so that is ruled out! :) Do you have a source? Genuinely interested. From the little reading I've done Tesla seem to have put quite a bit of thought in to making their cars perform well in crash tests so it seems surprising that they'd have a high fatality rate.

atoav 2y ago
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2023/12/18/tesla-has-the-highest-accident-rate-of-any-auto-brand/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2023/12/18/tesla-ha...
- speedgoose 2y ago
  Isn’t it missing the death aspect ?
  - atoav 2y ago
    It is found straight at the source: https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024 https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024
    - speedgoose 2y ago
      Thanks. It's US data only but that's a fine source.
OutOfHere 2y ago
"Tesla Has Highest Fatal Accident Rate of All Auto Brands: Study" (2024) https://autos.yahoo.com/tesla-highest-fatal-accident-rate-161100828.html https://autos.yahoo.com/tesla-highest-fatal-accident-rate-16...
- remus 2y ago
  Interesting quote from that piece: > The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. In fact, Tesla vehicles are loaded with safety technology; the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) named the 2024 Model Y as a Top Safety Pick+ award winner, for example. Many of the other cars that ranked highly on the list have also been given high ratings for safety by the likes of IIHS and the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, as well. > So, why are Teslas — and many other ostensibly safe cars on the list — involved in so many fatal crashes? “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities,” iSeeCars executive analyst Karl Brauer said in the report. “A focused, alert driver, traveling at a legal or prudent speed, without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, is the most likely to arrive safely regardless of the vehicle they’re driving.”
  - OutOfHere 2y ago
    I am going to look at the data, not at the subjective reinterpretation or subjective rating.
    - remus 2y ago
      A good instinct, but the point is it's important to think about what the data means. The authors of the paper are just saying that the populations of people driving each type of car are different so looking at a percentage of fatalities is not particularly informative. If you took all those people who currently drive 20 year old fords at 10 under the speed limit and put them in teslas, maybe the tesla fatality rate per billion miles would start to look a bit better.
  - figassis 2y ago
    Sure, makes sense, but then we have the invisible, possibly non existent emergency door release. Do they also go through the effort of pointing this out as a factor in the statistics? Or is that not counted as a design flaw? Whether they’re saying the truth or not, i think in these roles, it’s very easy to omit damaging information while not outright lying. It’s also easy to be taken to lunch by a Tesla person to talk about how to cushion the reports impact.

by remus 2y ago

atoav 2y ago

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2023/12/18/tesla-has-the-highest-accident-rate-of-any-auto-brand/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2023/12/18/tesla-ha...

speedgoose 2y ago
Isn’t it missing the death aspect ?
- atoav 2y ago
  It is found straight at the source: https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024 https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024
  - speedgoose 2y ago
    Thanks. It's US data only but that's a fine source.

OutOfHere 2y ago

"Tesla Has Highest Fatal Accident Rate of All Auto Brands: Study" (2024) https://autos.yahoo.com/tesla-highest-fatal-accident-rate-161100828.html https://autos.yahoo.com/tesla-highest-fatal-accident-rate-16...

remus 2y ago
Interesting quote from that piece: > The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. In fact, Tesla vehicles are loaded with safety technology; the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) named the 2024 Model Y as a Top Safety Pick+ award winner, for example. Many of the other cars that ranked highly on the list have also been given high ratings for safety by the likes of IIHS and the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, as well. > So, why are Teslas — and many other ostensibly safe cars on the list — involved in so many fatal crashes? “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities,” iSeeCars executive analyst Karl Brauer said in the report. “A focused, alert driver, traveling at a legal or prudent speed, without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, is the most likely to arrive safely regardless of the vehicle they’re driving.”
- OutOfHere 2y ago
  I am going to look at the data, not at the subjective reinterpretation or subjective rating.
  - remus 2y ago
    A good instinct, but the point is it's important to think about what the data means. The authors of the paper are just saying that the populations of people driving each type of car are different so looking at a percentage of fatalities is not particularly informative. If you took all those people who currently drive 20 year old fords at 10 under the speed limit and put them in teslas, maybe the tesla fatality rate per billion miles would start to look a bit better.
- figassis 2y ago
  Sure, makes sense, but then we have the invisible, possibly non existent emergency door release. Do they also go through the effort of pointing this out as a factor in the statistics? Or is that not counted as a design flaw? Whether they’re saying the truth or not, i think in these roles, it’s very easy to omit damaging information while not outright lying. It’s also easy to be taken to lunch by a Tesla person to talk about how to cushion the reports impact.