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> By making him suffer Nietzsche had written extensively about this way before. Nowadays we know that humans (and other animals) bully because they derive imm

by 77pt77 2y ago

> By making him suffer Nietzsche had written extensively about this way before. Nowadays we know that humans (and other animals) bully because they derive immense health benefits from being the aggressor. Those benefits are trivial to detect many decades after the fact. Until those benefits are offset by a hefty price to pay, nothing will change.

hiatus 2y ago
> Nowadays we know that humans (and other animals) bully because they derive immense health benefits from being the aggressor Which health benefits are those?
- iwontberude 2y ago
  I assume by poisoning those around you with cortisol, one becomes (comparitively speaking) less of a fuck up. It’s the Tanya Harding (‘s boyfriend) approach to success.
  - 77pt77 2y ago
    Their cortisol levels increase but yours decrease. It's not merely > You're now comparatively better because others are now worse. You are really better in absolute terms at their expense. These effects last decades! Anyone that tells you otherwise is lying to you.
    - iwontberude 2y ago
      I appreciate the italics but usually people making bold claims without sufficient sources are lying to me.
      - 77pt77 2y ago
        https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1323641111 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1323641111 > Here, we show that victims suffer from greater increases in low-grade systemic inflammation from childhood to young adulthood than are seen in others. In contrast, bullies showed lower increases in inflammation into adulthood compared with those uninvolved in bullying > Conclusion >Being bullied is known to have adverse effects on psychological and social development, but it is increasingly being recast as similar to family maltreatment in its potential to disrupt both mental and physical functioning across the lifespan (1, 2). In contrast, bullies experience few downsides and reap biological advantages of increased social status. Social status and disruptions to one’s status may play a central role in physical health functioning through effects on chronic low-grade inflammation, and these effects may persist for decades. Our findings suggest that this mechanism may be a key target for efforts to reduce risk for a bevy of age-related diseases and to promote optimal psychological and physical health functioning. The literature about this is immense. There are even a couple of studies with monozygotic twins which are notoriously difficult to do.

by 77pt77 2y ago

hiatus 2y ago

> Nowadays we know that humans (and other animals) bully because they derive immense health benefits from being the aggressor Which health benefits are those?

iwontberude 2y ago
I assume by poisoning those around you with cortisol, one becomes (comparitively speaking) less of a fuck up. It’s the Tanya Harding (‘s boyfriend) approach to success.
- 77pt77 2y ago
  Their cortisol levels increase but yours decrease. It's not merely > You're now comparatively better because others are now worse. You are really better in absolute terms at their expense. These effects last decades! Anyone that tells you otherwise is lying to you.
  - iwontberude 2y ago
    I appreciate the italics but usually people making bold claims without sufficient sources are lying to me.
    - 77pt77 2y ago
      https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1323641111 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1323641111 > Here, we show that victims suffer from greater increases in low-grade systemic inflammation from childhood to young adulthood than are seen in others. In contrast, bullies showed lower increases in inflammation into adulthood compared with those uninvolved in bullying > Conclusion >Being bullied is known to have adverse effects on psychological and social development, but it is increasingly being recast as similar to family maltreatment in its potential to disrupt both mental and physical functioning across the lifespan (1, 2). In contrast, bullies experience few downsides and reap biological advantages of increased social status. Social status and disruptions to one’s status may play a central role in physical health functioning through effects on chronic low-grade inflammation, and these effects may persist for decades. Our findings suggest that this mechanism may be a key target for efforts to reduce risk for a bevy of age-related diseases and to promote optimal psychological and physical health functioning. The literature about this is immense. There are even a couple of studies with monozygotic twins which are notoriously difficult to do.