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Wouldn’t the average car safety be significantly below a Tesla Model Y anyway?

OutOfHere 2y ago
Tesla has the highest fatality rate, so that is ruled out! :) Secondly, it is the coupling of electronic controls with unintuitive manual backups that create the danger.
- viraptor 2y ago
  That statistic is not controlling for the drivers. It's interesting, but it may be biased by who buys Tesla and how they drive. Similar to likely "cars with aggressive custom paint jobs have higher fatality rate".
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    Doesn’t matter if you’re getting in someone else’s car.
    - viraptor 2y ago
      Maybe. Taxi drivers have different incentives/experience/routes than the other population. It may apply to them, or not. For ride share, the choice of Tesla may have been mainly economical for them.
- remus 2y ago
  > Tesla has the highest fatality rate, so that is ruled out! :) Do you have a source? Genuinely interested. From the little reading I've done Tesla seem to have put quite a bit of thought in to making their cars perform well in crash tests so it seems surprising that they'd have a high fatality rate.
  - atoav 2y ago
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2023/12/18/tesla-has-the-highest-accident-rate-of-any-auto-brand/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2023/12/18/tesla-ha...
    - speedgoose 2y ago
      Isn’t it missing the death aspect ?
      - atoav 2y ago
        It is found straight at the source: https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024 https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024
        speedgoose 2y ago
        Thanks. It's US data only but that's a fine source.
  - OutOfHere 2y ago
    "Tesla Has Highest Fatal Accident Rate of All Auto Brands: Study" (2024) https://autos.yahoo.com/tesla-highest-fatal-accident-rate-161100828.html https://autos.yahoo.com/tesla-highest-fatal-accident-rate-16...
    - remus 2y ago
      Interesting quote from that piece: > The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. In fact, Tesla vehicles are loaded with safety technology; the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) named the 2024 Model Y as a Top Safety Pick+ award winner, for example. Many of the other cars that ranked highly on the list have also been given high ratings for safety by the likes of IIHS and the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, as well. > So, why are Teslas — and many other ostensibly safe cars on the list — involved in so many fatal crashes? “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities,” iSeeCars executive analyst Karl Brauer said in the report. “A focused, alert driver, traveling at a legal or prudent speed, without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, is the most likely to arrive safely regardless of the vehicle they’re driving.”
- speedgoose 2y ago
  I would still favour the car that has good crash test safety scores and AI powered safety features that work relatively well according to independent tests, over the random taxi. But otherwise I agree, the door opening mechanism should be improved.
- valval 2y ago
  The analysis you refer to isn’t super interesting as it’s not controlled. You’d need to be able to prove that independent safety and crash testing organisations are pushing out faulty results, since Teslas are among the safest (if not the safest) cars by their standards.

Tesla has the highest fatality rate, so that is ruled out! :) Secondly, it is the coupling of electronic controls with unintuitive manual backups that create the danger.

viraptor 2y ago
That statistic is not controlling for the drivers. It's interesting, but it may be biased by who buys Tesla and how they drive. Similar to likely "cars with aggressive custom paint jobs have higher fatality rate".
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  Doesn’t matter if you’re getting in someone else’s car.
  - viraptor 2y ago
    Maybe. Taxi drivers have different incentives/experience/routes than the other population. It may apply to them, or not. For ride share, the choice of Tesla may have been mainly economical for them.
remus 2y ago
> Tesla has the highest fatality rate, so that is ruled out! :) Do you have a source? Genuinely interested. From the little reading I've done Tesla seem to have put quite a bit of thought in to making their cars perform well in crash tests so it seems surprising that they'd have a high fatality rate.
- atoav 2y ago
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2023/12/18/tesla-has-the-highest-accident-rate-of-any-auto-brand/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2023/12/18/tesla-ha...
  - speedgoose 2y ago
    Isn’t it missing the death aspect ?
    - atoav 2y ago
      It is found straight at the source: https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024 https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024
      - speedgoose 2y ago
        Thanks. It's US data only but that's a fine source.
- OutOfHere 2y ago
  "Tesla Has Highest Fatal Accident Rate of All Auto Brands: Study" (2024) https://autos.yahoo.com/tesla-highest-fatal-accident-rate-161100828.html https://autos.yahoo.com/tesla-highest-fatal-accident-rate-16...
  - remus 2y ago
    Interesting quote from that piece: > The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. In fact, Tesla vehicles are loaded with safety technology; the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) named the 2024 Model Y as a Top Safety Pick+ award winner, for example. Many of the other cars that ranked highly on the list have also been given high ratings for safety by the likes of IIHS and the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, as well. > So, why are Teslas — and many other ostensibly safe cars on the list — involved in so many fatal crashes? “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities,” iSeeCars executive analyst Karl Brauer said in the report. “A focused, alert driver, traveling at a legal or prudent speed, without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, is the most likely to arrive safely regardless of the vehicle they’re driving.”
speedgoose 2y ago
I would still favour the car that has good crash test safety scores and AI powered safety features that work relatively well according to independent tests, over the random taxi. But otherwise I agree, the door opening mechanism should be improved.
valval 2y ago
The analysis you refer to isn’t super interesting as it’s not controlled. You’d need to be able to prove that independent safety and crash testing organisations are pushing out faulty results, since Teslas are among the safest (if not the safest) cars by their standards.