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Macs in CI are an absolute nightmare. For some reason (well, I do have a reason, they want to sell you more Mac Minis) macOS is the only modern OS that has no r

Macs in CI are an absolute nightmare. For some reason (well, I do have a reason, they want to sell you more Mac Minis) macOS is the only modern OS that has no real container solution builtin. Windows has Docker and true containers, FreeBSD has jails, Linux has a bajillion solutions, Darwin (macOS)? Nothing. They've ripped half of FreeBSD already, just pull jails too!

znpy 2y ago
You WILL buy more apple stuff, whether you like it or not.
btbuilder 2y ago
It at least has the virtualization framework now. There’s a product called Anka that plugs into Jenkins and lets you deploy macOS VM images as build agents on top of physical Apple hardware. While slower than containers, and limited to 2 VMs (?!?) you can have reproducible and sane build environments via VM images.
- sigh_again 2y ago
  It's limited to 2 VMs because Apple's software license agreement for MacOS: https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macOSSequoia.pdf https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macOSSequoia.pdf to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software, or any prior macOS or OS X operating system software or subsequent release of the Apple Software, within virtual operating system environments on each Apple-branded computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software, for purposes of: (a) software development; (b) testing during software development; (c) using macOS Server; or (d) personal, non-commercial use. Apple just really doesn't care about you, and as a developer, you're just a sucker to extract money from.
  - judge2020 2y ago
    Realistically you can run more than 2 VMs with some work[0], but legally companies that provide CI and other virtual solutions can't buy 1 mac then get a license to run 100 virtual macs. 0: https://khronokernel.com/macos/2023/08/08/AS-VM.html https://khronokernel.com/macos/2023/08/08/AS-VM.html
  - tesch1 2y ago
    (insert name of any corporation ... listed on any stock market) just really doesn't care about you, and as a developer, you're just a sucker to extract money from.
shepherdjerred 2y ago
https://darwin-containers.github.io/ https://darwin-containers.github.io/ Also, if you want to cross-compile in Linux instead of run a container: https://github.com/shepherdjerred/macos-cross-compiler https://github.com/shepherdjerred/macos-cross-compiler
- qalmakka 2y ago
  Don't worry, as soon as this becomes production grade enough to justify buying less Mac Minis in data centres, Apple with shut it down faster than the speed of light. They could have done this themselves if they wanted, the reasons were never technical to begin with

znpy 2y ago

You WILL buy more apple stuff, whether you like it or not.

btbuilder 2y ago

It at least has the virtualization framework now. There’s a product called Anka that plugs into Jenkins and lets you deploy macOS VM images as build agents on top of physical Apple hardware. While slower than containers, and limited to 2 VMs (?!?) you can have reproducible and sane build environments via VM images.

sigh_again 2y ago
It's limited to 2 VMs because Apple's software license agreement for MacOS: https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macOSSequoia.pdf https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macOSSequoia.pdf to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software, or any prior macOS or OS X operating system software or subsequent release of the Apple Software, within virtual operating system environments on each Apple-branded computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software, for purposes of: (a) software development; (b) testing during software development; (c) using macOS Server; or (d) personal, non-commercial use. Apple just really doesn't care about you, and as a developer, you're just a sucker to extract money from.
- judge2020 2y ago
  Realistically you can run more than 2 VMs with some work[0], but legally companies that provide CI and other virtual solutions can't buy 1 mac then get a license to run 100 virtual macs. 0: https://khronokernel.com/macos/2023/08/08/AS-VM.html https://khronokernel.com/macos/2023/08/08/AS-VM.html
- tesch1 2y ago
  (insert name of any corporation ... listed on any stock market) just really doesn't care about you, and as a developer, you're just a sucker to extract money from.

shepherdjerred 2y ago

https://darwin-containers.github.io/ https://darwin-containers.github.io/ Also, if you want to cross-compile in Linux instead of run a container: https://github.com/shepherdjerred/macos-cross-compiler https://github.com/shepherdjerred/macos-cross-compiler

qalmakka 2y ago
Don't worry, as soon as this becomes production grade enough to justify buying less Mac Minis in data centres, Apple with shut it down faster than the speed of light. They could have done this themselves if they wanted, the reasons were never technical to begin with